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Biden is probably the only person who can beat Trump.

Sanders and Castro cannot handle him, maybe Beto can though.

Biden and Beto are basically the only people I'd bet on beating Trump. Biden simply "on paper" though, because "Biden the candidate" is extremely flawed as these stories show. He's not ready for the type of attacks he'd receive. I'm sure he'd be able to trot out a host of women he touched at those senate sessions who would say it was just innocent stuff/"he's like a grandfather" etc but the damage would follow him throughout the primaries.

White people gave us Trump, and white people have to get rid of Trump. Remember, even if black people voted at 2012 levels for Hillary she still would have lost, because the white vote was that strong for Trump. Hillary did WAY worse than Obama with white people in too many areas and it killed her. And ironically, she didn't listen to Obama's advice on the white vote. Obama once said that you have to campaign everywhere, because even if you lose the town you can turn a 40 point loss into a 10 point loss simply by showing up and letting (rural white) people hear what you have to say. Hillary ignored those areas and took 40+ losses in those areas...and it added up to an L overall.

Bottom line, someone like Beto can do well enough with white voters to beat him. Kamala? Booker? Warren? I seriously doubt it. Beto/Harris is probably the best ticket. Or Harris/Beto.
 

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Biden and Beto are basically the only people I'd bet on beating Trump. Biden simply "on paper" though, because "Biden the candidate" is extremely flawed as these stories show. He's not ready for the type of attacks he'd receive. I'm sure he'd be able to trot out a host of women he touched at those senate sessions who would say it was just innocent stuff/"he's like a grandfather" etc but the damage would follow him throughout the primaries.

White people gave us Trump, and white people have to get rid of Trump. Remember, even if black people voted at 2012 levels for Hillary she still would have lost, because the white vote was that strong for Trump. Hillary did WAY worse than Obama with white people in too many areas and it killed her. And ironically, she didn't listen to Obama's advice on the white vote. Obama once said that you have to campaign everywhere, because even if you lose the town you can turn a 40 point loss into a 10 point loss simply by showing up and letting (rural white) people hear what you have to say. Hillary ignored those areas and took 40+ losses in those areas...and it added up to an L overall.

Bottom line, someone like Beto can do well enough with white voters to beat him. Kamala? Booker? Warren? I seriously doubt it. Beto/Harris is probably the best ticket. Or Harris/Beto.

I agree.

Just picture old man Sanders or effeminate Booker/Castro debating against Trump with his trolling it would be embarassing
 

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Biden and Beto are basically the only people I'd bet on beating Trump. Biden simply "on paper" though, because "Biden the candidate" is extremely flawed as these stories show. He's not ready for the type of attacks he'd receive. I'm sure he'd be able to trot out a host of women he touched at those senate sessions who would say it was just innocent stuff/"he's like a grandfather" etc but the damage would follow him throughout the primaries.

White people gave us Trump, and white people have to get rid of Trump. Remember, even if black people voted at 2012 levels for Hillary she still would have lost, because the white vote was that strong for Trump. Hillary did WAY worse than Obama with white people in too many areas and it killed her. And ironically, she didn't listen to Obama's advice on the white vote. Obama once said that you have to campaign everywhere, because even if you lose the town you can turn a 40 point loss into a 10 point loss simply by showing up and letting (rural white) people hear what you have to say. Hillary ignored those areas and took 40+ losses in those areas...and it added up to an L overall.

Bottom line, someone like Beto can do well enough with white voters to beat him. Kamala? Booker? Warren? I seriously doubt it. Beto/Harris is probably the best ticket. Or Harris/Beto.
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I would say Bernie could beat Trump
 

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I would say Bernie could beat Trump

I said this in 2016 and it's even clearer now. You aren't winning the presidency while advocating for the middle class to be taxed more. He wants to raise taxes on too many people, brehs. And there are TONS of videos being released of him praising Castro (goodbye, Florida) and other socialist regimes. He was given personal tours of Soviet states...wanna bet they have info on him that can easily be leaked to the Trump campaign, wikileaks, etc? And he refuses to release his tax returns. Something isn't right...
 
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