Joe Biden's numbers are collapsing among a group you really wouldn't expect

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

I believe you understand the problem very well, actually.

All this UBI and cancelled student loans stuff seems fine for the person eating for free

But there is no free lunch. So you'd likely see some bad consequences for such things

And I'm not trying to be insensitive here, but I can understand why the WH may be reticent to do this.

Seems like there should be some middle ground here, and I think they've tried to find that middle ground by basically postponing the payments for what, going on 2 years now?

Are you telling me that ppl didn't save ANYTHING for when the payments resumed? Folks just took all that money they was saving from not having to pay their student loans and spent it on foolery?

 

[SleezyBigSlim]

This is all Bidens fault he told us he would get machin and sinema on board... But once he gets everything he needs these two are stopping all the progress and he can't do anything


Anyone who doesn't see this as a game of good cop bad cop is an idiot

The Dems always have an excuse why they can't do shyt even with all the votes, they'll just make up onerepublicans just push shyt thru and Dems don't respond and act powerless

Both sides. Theres 1 power controlling both sides

 

[Houston911]

Stay strong joe. Don’t honor your word bout them loans

 

[CodeKansas]

The promise of a job after college fell through, plus loan companies were charging higher interest than they needed to, university of phoenix type of schools were scamming people, and colleges are overcharging students on tuition.

That's why students are wanting a bail out. And yes, as an adult you took those loans, you pay them back. But if I watched multi-million and multi-billion companies get loans from the government and have those same loans forgiven by the government. Then the least the government can do for me is cancel these loans those same or related companies fukked me over on.

And not just that, people took out loans to for-profit schools that were created primarily to pocket that money and leave the student holding the bag.

This shyt doesn't lie 100% solely on the person taking the loan, and anybody who argues that it is is being willfully obtuse.

 

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[CBalla]

Stay strong joe. Don’t honor your word bout them loans

I hate you

 

[Suzie]

And not just that, people took out loans to for-profit schools that were created primarily to pocket that money and leave the student holding the bag.

This shyt doesn't lie 100% solely on the person taking the loan, and anybody who argues that it is is being willfully obtuse.

Add to the fact that the price of school is outrageous and full of broken promises for jobs that aren’t available

 

[Trece]

His numbers are trash with just about every group at this point..

The family pet hates Joe Biden

 

[Vandelay]

And so the final decent towards far right autocracy begins. I blame the media. I blame stupid voters and non voters. And I blame Biden for not doing enough to push his agenda. I blame Sinema and Manchin for tanking his agenda. And I blame dumb Republicans for ruining the country.

I'm at the point I'm starting not to give a fukk. It's so plainly apparent. I'm just trying to figure how to cushion and endure that descent in the next 2 years which will probably span the next 20+ years.

 

[Vandelay]

And I'm not trying to be insensitive here, but I can understand why the WH may be reticent to do this.

Seems like there should be some middle ground here, and I think they've tried to find that middle ground by basically postponing the payments for what, going on 2 years now?

Are you telling me that ppl didn't save ANYTHING for when the payments resumed? Folks just took all that money they was saving from not having to pay their student loans and spent it on foolery?

They can't outright cancel. What about all the new loans that will be generated for new college students entering university for the foreseeable future? What about people who paid their loans back? What about these schools that charge those outlandish tuitions for employment opportunities that are decreasing in financial incentive?

Schools just aren't suddenly going to reduce their tuition. They are not going to reset the system, and I would argue...we shouldn't. You borrowed the money, you pay it back. Life isn't free. You'd probably make the US's credit rating take a hit by doing this, effectively driving more inflation, because we can borrow infinite loans right now off of foreign backed capital. That foreign investment would dry up if there was no incentive for them to invest...

I would however argue...

Cancel the interest. Stop charging interest.

A college educated populace is an investment in society. Stop making people pay interest on an investment in the country's future.

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

They can't outright cancel. What about all the new loans that will be generated for new college students entering university for the foreseeable future? What about people who paid their loans back? What about these schools that charge those outlandish tuitions for employment opportunities that are decreasing in financial incentive? Schools just aren't suddenly going to reduce their tuition. They are not going to reset the system, and I would argue...we shouldn't. You borrowed the money, you pay it back. Life isn't free. You'd probably make the US's credit rating take a hit by doing this, effectively driving more inflation, because we can borrow infinite loans right now off of foreign backed capital. That foreign investment would dry up if there was no incentive for them to invest...

I would however argue...

Cancel the interest. Stop charging interest.

A college educated populace is an investment in society. Stop making people pay interest on an investment in the country's future.

I could get with that. Or even cancel a percentage of student debts.

But outright canceling them seems like it would cause a bigger issue than it would solve.

 

[Vandelay]

I could get with that. Or even cancel a percentage of student debts.

But outright canceling them seems like it would cause a bigger issue than it would solve.

I almost feel Biden should start having fireside chats like Roosevelt used to do. He's old and loosing his touch, but the one thing Trump did that resonated with people was his tweeting. He explained more complex topics in bite-sized chunks that the general public could get with...he was absolutely wrong 95% of the time. But it offered the general public a glimpse into his thought process without the media directly painting him into a corner.

Biden should have some forum where he talks to the general public, uninterrupted on the most pressing topics; inflation, Ukraine, covid, student loans, the environment...it would help his approval rating tremendously as long as he doesn't have one of his geriatric gaffes...

 

[Koli_Kat]

The last time I spoke about student loans some breh negged me.

Poor breh probably drowning in student loan debt.


All imma say is, the college bubble /get a
degree get a good job scam/promise was exposed long before gen Z started to attend college.

 

[High Art]

Democrats have been focused on trying to turn Mexicans and Republicans over instead of having policies that make people who don't vote want to get up and cast a ballot.

A lot of young people are seeing Biden as the guy who took away their covid relief money, promised debt forgiveness and didn't deliver. Why should they vote? For the average cac, they can withstand another Trump presidency because they know their material conditions won't get that much worse.

Student loan forgiveness, an increased corporate tax rate and cannabis decriminalization, are three things that could swing things dramatically for him. If he does one or two of those things and saves one or two more for re election, he could see a bigger turnout of non voters.

Medicare for all would guarantee a democratic dynasty. But Republicans and democrats are both loyal only to one thing: $

All this through and through in addition to the "inflation"/price-gouging we're seeing here and there and finally housing. Increased house prices, increased rent, mandatory down payments here and there, increased vehicle prices, it will feel like the world is collapsing on some people. Add that many of these young people were fed lines about progressive policies being important, only for the dems to run away from many of them, mostly because of two nitwit senators showing how dysfunctional the party is, and it becomes less than surprising to see why these young people feel as they do. Add the bailouts given to corporations but nothing for actual people and the issues compounds itself even more.

Still waiting for black support to collapse, so we can actually force them to give us tangibles. I already see them kicking the voting rights bill all the way to the midterms

They got that Asian bill passed in a heart beat though

Oh I know, I know, “it’s all Manchin’s fault” that democrats can’t get things done with a majority

I'm curious about this too. I do think a portion of the black male vote will drop off. The simple fact is that black men feel, rightly so, let down by the party and many of them don't feel represented by the party. It feels as if the party puts many other groups and ideologies before black men despite their loyalty over the years so I can imagine many feeling slighted. Hell I do a lot of times.