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This doesn't make any sense. Burrow wouldn't be 2-14 with that Chiefs roster, coaching, and front office. He's too great a player...

Allen's not going 16-0 with any team ever. He's too erratic, too prone to bullshyt games like that Texans gane earlier this year, too prone to multiple turnover games. His highs are as high as everyone, that's a fact. But he EASILY has the lowest lows of the three (in the regular season)...

Lamar has never played a full season and won less than 11 games. He's a fukking winner, but he'd go 8-8 with Allen's Bills?

I do appreciate this exercise bit you gotta explain your methodology, this just looks like "I feel like" with no explanation...


We see a DataTable expecting some insights but duke type a bunch of random garbage. There’s zero “exercise”; the purpose was to derail the thread. With 16-0 and 2-14…you fell for it


A better metric is Mike Sando’s QB Betrayal Index
 

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We see a DataTable expecting some insights but duke type a bunch of random garbage. There’s zero “exercise”; the purpose was to derail the thread. With 16-0 and 2-14…you fell for it


A better metric is Mike Sando’s QB Betrayal Index
Will check out Sando's list!

The way I see it, every single one of these guys would win a Super Bowl with the Chiefs. Maybe not 3+ like Patrick, but do we really think none of these guys could win a championship if you gave them that coaching staff, that front office, that roster? 🤣 🤣 ..

Nobody would flat out suck with the other's teams. Nobody. The Bengals would be better with everyone else, though. Burrow starts too slow, these other guys don't. The other guys have also all elevated weakness around them to a higher level, that Burrow is dealing with this year...
 

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I've been the only one consistently saying for two years he's in the same class as Allen and Lamar. Eye test proves all the physical traits, he's got the stats...

More importantly though, he's more consistent than both those guys are in the playoffs. Went into Allen's house and knocked em down. He's the only one of the 3 who has beaten Mahomes in the postseason----->and he's the ONLY one of the 3 who ALWAYS comes to play when he plays KC...

Middlekauff has my favorite football podcast and he always says, inside the building the Chiefs acknowledge that Allen is the one of the three that they dont "fear", but keep them awake at night. I have no reason to think he's lying, but I watch the games too, I gotta disagree with him and them if that's the case. Cincy as a team always plays KC tight and Burrow comes ready to ball when he sees the Chiefs...

He's finishing a full season and avoided injury this year for just the third time in his 5 years. When he's healthy, he's consistently gotten better. I don't truly think you can go wrong with either Allen, Burrow, or Lamar as your guy for a regular season, they are all elite and Burrow is yet again overcoming a bad defense and bad offensive line and still keeping his team playoff viable. What I will say is that the carry job Allen has done with mid skill talent this year, which Lamar has done before as well, is a challenge Burrow hasn't yet been faced with, as he's always had elite receivers...

But bad run game. Bad defense. Bad o-line. Mid coach. And his team is still in playoff contention. Ain't No Burrow "lovefest". He's an outstanding quarterback...

There's Mahomes here....

And about two steps behind are the other 3 guys. They don't have the championships to match but when one of them gets one it'll elevate them...

@murksiderock how would you rank the top 10 quarterbacks currently?
 

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@murksiderock how would you rank the top 10 quarterbacks currently?
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Mahomes

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Lamar, Allen, Burrow (that's the order I'd have them in, but they are interchangeable)

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This is in no order, so some order of Baker, Goff, Herbert, Hurts, Love. And #10 would probably be a toss-up between Padford and Darnold. Darnold has been better than Padford this year, but my rankings aren't 1-year based, it's a combo of current year + your career history. So I'd probably put Padford in there, but Darnold is close!

Crazy how the Top 4 QBs are all in the AFC. But after the Top 4, all of the rest (besides Herbert) are in the NFC...
 

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That doesn't matter to me. MVP is about being "most valuable" to your team. I never agreed with having to be on a number 1 seed or division winner

I don't agree with Burrow winning but for instance, I don't think Baltimore needs to win their division for Lamar to be a candidate.

I think he has had a phenomenal year but it's hard to say MVP mainly because based on how the season has gone, his numbers haven't really added value to the matter. Burrow's year has kept Cincy from being in the running for the top pick, but as pointed out against winning teams... those numbers haven't meant anything until they beat Denver... which wouldn't have happened if Nix didn't miss Franklin on that deep ball.
 

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I think he has had a phenomenal year but it's hard to say MVP mainly because based on how the season has gone, his numbers haven't really added value to the matter. Burrow's year has kept Cincy from being in the running for the top pick, but as pointed out against winning teams... those numbers haven't meant anything until they beat Denver... which wouldn't have happened if Nix didn't miss Franklin on that deep ball.
didn't know Burrow kicks fgs and play D
 

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didn't know Burrow kicks fgs and play D

It is what it is. I may not agree with it, but a franchise QB is supposed to ensure his team can overcome whatever weaknesses his team has, even if those weaknesses exist because of front office inaction/ineptitude.

Otherwise, you're not worth the distinction.

The Ravens field the worst passing defense in the league. That has not kept Lamar from leading that team to 11 wins.
The Rams defense is statistically a mirror image of the Bengals... Stafford and the Rams have 10 wins.
Lions pass defense is terrible... and Goff and Co. look like they are about to get home-field in the NFC.
Coming into today, the Bills only had one WR with more than 500 yards on the season... this has not stopped Josh Allen. In fact, it has strengthened the narrative that will get him the MVP that Lamar deserves over him.
Tampa Bay is right in the mix of the playoffs and Baker lost Godwin for the year and also lost Mike Evans for like 3-4 games.

I don't envy what Burrow has to overcome, but other QBs are overcoming adversity, too. Why are we moving the goalposts for Burrow?
 

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It is what it is. I may not agree with it, but a franchise QB is supposed to ensure his team can overcome whatever weaknesses his team has, even if those weaknesses exist because of front office inaction/ineptitude.

Otherwise, you're not worth the distinction.

The Ravens field the worst passing defense in the league. That has not kept Lamar from leading that team to 11 wins.
The Rams defense is statistically a mirror image of the Bengals... Stafford and the Rams have 10 wins.
Lions pass defense is terrible... and Goff and Co. look like they are about to get home-field in the NFC.
Coming into today, the Bills only had one WR with more than 500 yards on the season... this has not stopped Josh Allen. In fact, it has strengthened the narrative that will get him the MVP that Lamar deserves over him.
Tampa Bay is right in the mix of the playoffs and Baker lost Godwin for the year and also lost Mike Evans for like 3-4 games.

I don't envy what Burrow has to overcome, but other QBs are overcoming adversity, too. Why are we moving the goalposts for Burrow?
Bengals have the WORST DEFENSE IN THE LEAGUE
 

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They've allowed around 60-ish more total yards than the Rams.

Also, Jacksonville has the worst defense in the league.
Bengals D played a lot bettert he last 4 games. It's not a coincidence they've been winning. Before that, they were hands down worst in the league. They have a ton of Ls that's under a FG when they had the worst D in the league. Not to mention chip shot FGs missed.
 
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