Joe Jackson, R.I.P. him

[Jack Skellington]

Hang Joe's Belt in the rafters.
#bestthateverdidit

 

[Booker T Garvey]

some pics from the funeral:

 

[Dynamite James]

 

[Michael's Black Son]

some pics from the funeral:

Only one who looks normal

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

That brother demanded Excellence. Do you know what type of white supremacist Enclave Indiana is? You guys get on him too much for hitting those kids but the fact is white supremacy hits those kids 24 hours a day 7 days a week and he wanted to toughen those kids up. He did that rest in power brother

I’m not saying you’re lying but if this don’t sound like the most Michael Eric Dyson hotep bullshyt lmao

 

[Paper Boi]

this thread needs more posts. joe put em on for better or worse.

 

[TEH]

@Michael's Black Son

Your grand daddy was a good man

RIP

 

[Michael's Black Son]

@Michael's Black Son

Your grand daddy was a good man

RIP

I know breh

We all miss him

 

[Maxine Shaw]

Respectfully...I've always thought Michael sounded like a cac p*ssy with those "abusive" comments, telling the white press what they wanted to hear. Don't get me wrong - I would argue that Joe definitely had some terrible child-rearing tactics, as many of our parents and grandparents did. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the Jackson boys didn't seem to be any more or less "abused" than any other average black boy being raised by a black father back in those days. Joe kept his foot in their asses, much like many black fathers. Add a terrible neighborhood and a single paycheck to raise up to nine kids at once, and I just can't fault the man. It seems that the children all made peace with him in their adult years, long before he died. So...*shrugs* (Now the psychological abuse, on the other hand, is something else entirely.)

All the older brothers have said, in subtle ways, that Michael didn't hardly catch no beatdowns. Even Michael himself said that Jackie had it the worst. Michael, on the other hand, was the 7th child. How many beatings could a tired-ass, overworked father have possibly given him at that point? All the other brothers pointed out that Michael was defiant and quick to run away from Joseph, so I'm hard-pressed to believe that a lil nikka who would throw a shoe at his dad would be "regurgitating" in his presence as a grown-ass man.

 

[flo]

Respectfully...I've always thought Michael sounded like a cac p*ssy with those "abusive" comments, telling the white press what they wanted to hear. Don't get me wrong - I would argue that Joe definitely had some terrible child-rearing tactics, as many of our parents and grandparents did. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the Jackson boys didn't seem to be any more or less "abused" than any other average black boy being raised by a black father back in those days. Joe kept his foot in their asses, much like many black fathers. Add a terrible neighborhood and a single paycheck to raise up to nine kids at once, and I just can't fault the man. It seems that the children all made peace with him in their adult years, long before he died. So...*shrugs* (Now the psychological abuse, on the other hand, is something else entirely.)

All the older brothers have said, in subtle ways, that Michael didn't hardly catch no beatdowns. Even Michael himself said that Jackie had it the worst. Michael, on the other hand, was the 7th child. How many beatings could a tired-ass, overworked father have possibly given him at that point? All the other brothers pointed out that Michael was defiant and quick to run away from Joseph, so I'm hard-pressed to believe that a lil nikka who would throw a shoe at his dad would be "regurgitating" in his presence as a grown-ass man.

I believe it was Marlon, since he didn’t get the steps as fast as Michael.

 

[Orbital-Fetus]

we still mourning joe jackson?
this thread has been stickied longer that the MJ dead thread.

 

[Maxine Shaw]

I believe it was Marlon, since he didn’t get the steps as fast as Michael.

Nope, it was definitely Jackie, mainly b/c he was the oldest. You'd have to sit through the "Glenda tapes" to hear it, but I'll spare you the trouble. He *does* go on to mention that Marlon got a lot of whippings b/c of missing steps, though. So I think that once J5 started, Marlon took the most whippings, but that the oldest three brothers got it bad beforehand.

"Michael: Yes, Joseph never used to hug us! Mother did.
Glenda: What about that other child that he has?
Michael: (Silence). Joh Vonnie.
Glenda: Yeah.
Michael: Oh yeah he never had any problem, he never had any problem showing… He hugged her and stuff, I never could understand that.
Glenda: That is bizarre. That’s really bizarre.
Michael: Why is that, girl?
Glenda: I don’t know!
Michael: Jackie, I mean, Jackie got it the worst because he was the oldest boy [when really I think about it]. And…
Glenda: You mean “got it”, you mean like the beatings or-
Michael: Yeah. (inaudible)
Glenda: What?
Michael: I said, Jackie used to get it the worst."

The Glenda Tapes

Here's Tito talking about how Michael hardly got whipped at all.

But Tito insists Michael never got the worst of it, saying: “Are you guys kidding me? I don’t think Michael got it. Michael was so quick, my father couldn’t even catch him. My father would swing his belt and the next thing Michael is under the bed. He was really quick. My father tried to catch him so much he couldn’t do nothing to stop and start laughing. Myself, Jackie and Jermaine, we were the older guys and we were responsible for a lot. He lashed us more than anybody because we were in Gary, Indiana. There is nothing but gangs and no jobs, there are shootings on a daily basis. My father kept a grip on his older sons more than anything.”

Michael Jackson's brother says superstar 'never got worst of dad's tough love'

 

[Suzie]

Respectfully...I've always thought Michael sounded like a cac p*ssy with those "abusive" comments, telling the white press what they wanted to hear. Don't get me wrong - I would argue that Joe definitely had some terrible child-rearing tactics, as many of our parents and grandparents did. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the Jackson boys didn't seem to be any more or less "abused" than any other average black boy being raised by a black father back in those days. Joe kept his foot in their asses, much like many black fathers. Add a terrible neighborhood and a single paycheck to raise up to nine kids at once, and I just can't fault the man. It seems that the children all made peace with him in their adult years, long before he died. So...*shrugs* (Now the psychological abuse, on the other hand, is something else entirely.)

All the older brothers have said, in subtle ways, that Michael didn't hardly catch no beatdowns. Even Michael himself said that Jackie had it the worst. Michael, on the other hand, was the 7th child. How many beatings could a tired-ass, overworked father have possibly given him at that point? All the other brothers pointed out that Michael was defiant and quick to run away from Joseph, so I'm hard-pressed to believe that a lil nikka who would throw a shoe at his dad would be "regurgitating" in his presence as a grown-ass man.

You can’t determine what someone else experience is. He may not have got it the worst but he definitely got it. Not just physically but mentally and emotionally. Someone posted a video where Bruce Swedian said he and Quincy had to forcefully remove Joe from the studio because he was bothering MJ. They told him to leave and not come back. Bobby Taylor said he pulled a gun on Joseph at the studio to keep him away. Other Motown musicians said Joe was abusive to the kids in the studio.
Even his side daughter didn’t paint Joe in a great light in her book. She describes him the same the other kids have. Jacking your young daughter up by the hair doesn’t get you any father of the year awards. I can only imagine what he did to the older ones.

 

[Dynamite James]

 

[SAJ!!]

We would have never had a Musical Dynasty without this man.

Rest In Power, Joseph Walter Jackson.

And Thank You.