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there's being a contrarian, and then there's napoleon. good lord
John Oliver goes in on The NCAA
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Am I being a contrarian if I legitimately disagree with you?there's being a contrarian, and then there's napoleon. good lord
If people want to keep repeating the same tropes about what they think players deserve, I'll reply with what I think they deserve.
Deal with it. You don't get to just call any sort of dissent or disagreement "trolling" or "contrarianism" just because you don't like it.
Detroit Wave
Veteran
there's being a contrarian, and then there's napoleon. good lord
http://www.collegedata.com/cs/content/content_payarticle_tmpl.jhtml?articleId=10064
this punjab fakkit believes that BILLIONS = somewhere between $23,410 and $46,272
stick to call centers you cluless fukkboy
i always argue for the athletes and still end up supporting UCLA just because. but watching john oliver's rant just did something to me. i can't look at it the same. fukk college athletics. between the nba and arsenal, i'm covered. and i'm never going to look at dabo sweeney or the black players that play for this redneck looking motherfukker the same again. 
fukking soybeanwind retarded ass motherfukker.
i'm done. *changes what i'm reppin*
fukking soybeanwind retarded ass motherfukker.
i'm done. *changes what i'm reppin*
If they want more, why can't they go pro?
http://www.collegedata.com/cs/content/content_payarticle_tmpl.jhtml?articleId=10064
this punjab fakkit believes that BILLIONS = somewhere between $23,410 and $46,272
stick to call centers you cluless fukkboy
Otherwise, stick to a useful major and stop pretending playing basketball is supposed to afford you a better lifestyle in your free time.
We all make decisions and have the same 24 hours in a day.
i see you soybean wind.If they want more, why can't they go pro?
Otherwise, stick to a useful major and stop pretending playing basketball is supposed to afford you a better lifestyle in your free time.
We all make decisions and have the same 24 hours in a day.
Sounds like some poor guidance you got.
1. You went to school NOT because of grades, but to play. Seems you didn't put one foot in front of the other
2. When you got to a D-1 school, you still wanted to complain how "bad" it was, instead of acknowledging you're going there for free without having to pay for anything
3. Sorry you're so inconvenienced of not having to turn down money
4. How are the players being pimped? You have a high performing coach showing you what you COULD be if you worked hard enough to go pro and its his fault you can't get out of your feelings?
Are there problems with the system? Yes....but i'm not hearing any from you.
What ar you doing now? Did you get a degree?
Here's some real talk:
1. You're absolutley RIGHT. When I was in HS, all I heard was how good I was & I was very arrogant.
2. In high school & starting in college I didn't care about school, my mentality was 3 years from my HS graduation I would declare for the NFL draft.
3. I didn't like realize until I got into college EVERYBODY is good. I went from looking like the best to barely being able to compete.
4. I tore my ACL & that was it.
5. Finished my undergrad & went to pharmacy school & now I'm a RPH.
Also the point oliver was trying to make is most of those college players aren't going pro, players are discouraged from taking hard classes, can lose their scholarship within a blink of an eye, & everyone is making money off of them. You may have a booster or two who gives money but even that has stopped.
And yes I did get special benefits & perks. I dated 2 women in 4 yrs of HS & in college I slept with so many women I can't even remember & became a complete whore in college because of all the puzzy being thrown at me for being a college football player. So yes there are perks, what I'm simply saying is college players should get a piece of the money pie too.
I had to change my mentality & work my azz off to get where I'm at, a lot of college players who were/are in my situation only know sports, so once you realize you aren't going pro you have to reprogram yourself into society because being an athlete can put you in a bubble & a false sense of reality.
Let's look at the word "free," since so much of this argument is contingent upon the ideal that athletes are rewarded with a "free education."
Adjective
1. not under the control or in the power of another; able to act or be done as one wishes.
"I have no ambitions other than to have a happy life and be free."
not physically restrained, obstructed, or fixed; unimpeded.
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In the proper context of the word "student-athletes" are definitely not getting a free education. This isn't the arrangement the NCAA has in place. I don't see how one can even legitimately argue as such. They like to espouse the idea of "free education" because it's more palatable than the reality: quid pro quo (something for something). However, let's look at another word.
Opportunity Cost
1. The cost of an alternative that must be forgone in order to pursue a certain action. Put another way, the benefits you could have received by taking an alternative action.
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Even if you are so foolhardy that you argue that the education is free because there is no monetary exchange (which is a myopic and rubbish position to hold to begin with, but I'll entertain it for now), the education still isn't "free." It's what Richard Sherman was saying in that video. The opportunity cost for being a D-1 athlete is enormous. You're giving up a significant portion of your life for a "free education," which could be divvied up to cultivate other things besides athleticism. I'll use FSU as an example: there's football season and practice for the bowl game through the holiday season: Christmas and winter break? All that shyt is time on campus while everybody else is at home. Once the season ends, there's the "voluntary" conditioning before before spring practice. Depending upon what group you're in, you could be doing these at 5:00 am, then you have spring practice. After spring practice and the spring game you have "voluntary" summer conditioning. So yeah, you're taking summer classes too. You're not going home. After summer conditioning you have fall practice, and then the season starts. Mind you, this is just the bare minimum; if you're a QB, RB, WR, et al, you're expected to organize 7 on 7's among teammates on your own time. That's working hard and going the extra mile. You think you're playing for Nick Saban and doing the minimum
? You still have your position meetings and film review. You have study hall at night too. How the fukk is all of that "free"? Something being free is not exclusive to money, or lack thereof. It's a job. You are not majoring in biochemistry doing all that, unless you're brilliant and unfortunately the overwhelming majority of the world isn't.
Essentially, it boils down to this cat and mouse game the NCAA likes to play where they tell you student athletes are different, but not really. It's the proverbial moving of the goal post whenever it suits their agenda. When in reality it's a simple question: are student athletes "regular students" or not? It's clear they're not. They are often accepted into college under different requirements, they call boosters and tell them to come out to the games, they have "fan days" where fans show up and greet them and they autograph shyt for them, jersey for sale in the bookstore, mandatory study hall, they are suspended for stuff another student wouldn't be, they wear special backpacks with their numbers on them indicating they're an athlete, etc. Coaches ban Twitter, Instagram, etc. Could you imagine a professor or president telling a student or population of the school they couldn't use Twitter? Yet, Jimbo can ban Twitter and nobody bats an eyelash (this has really happened before). They are judged by a different standard. They also do stuff like this for the schools athletic fund raising:
"Johnny Football isn't just helping Texas A&M University on the football field.
The resurgence of Aggies football helped Texas A&M raise a record $740 million in donations during the past year."
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/co...cord-740-million-almost-doubles-longhorns.ece
Yet, with all the extra shyt that is accompanied by being an athlete the NCAA likes to say, "Hey, Jameis Winston is just like Peter over there that's in our Pysch program." It's a charade that can only be pulled on the woefully idealistic at best, and wayward souls incredulous to exploitation of others at worst. They aren't regular students and they should be remunerated properly.
No more of this blurring of the lines pretend shyt. Fortunately, that day is coming sooner than later.
Adjective
1. not under the control or in the power of another; able to act or be done as one wishes.
"I have no ambitions other than to have a happy life and be free."
not physically restrained, obstructed, or fixed; unimpeded.
- "she lifted the cat free"
synonyms: unimpeded, unobstructed, unrestricted, unhampered, clear, open,unblocked
"the free flow of water"
- without cost or payment.
- "ladies were admitted free"
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In the proper context of the word "student-athletes" are definitely not getting a free education. This isn't the arrangement the NCAA has in place. I don't see how one can even legitimately argue as such. They like to espouse the idea of "free education" because it's more palatable than the reality: quid pro quo (something for something). However, let's look at another word.
Opportunity Cost
1. The cost of an alternative that must be forgone in order to pursue a certain action. Put another way, the benefits you could have received by taking an alternative action.
---------
Even if you are so foolhardy that you argue that the education is free because there is no monetary exchange (which is a myopic and rubbish position to hold to begin with, but I'll entertain it for now), the education still isn't "free." It's what Richard Sherman was saying in that video. The opportunity cost for being a D-1 athlete is enormous. You're giving up a significant portion of your life for a "free education," which could be divvied up to cultivate other things besides athleticism. I'll use FSU as an example: there's football season and practice for the bowl game through the holiday season: Christmas and winter break? All that shyt is time on campus while everybody else is at home. Once the season ends, there's the "voluntary" conditioning before before spring practice. Depending upon what group you're in, you could be doing these at 5:00 am, then you have spring practice. After spring practice and the spring game you have "voluntary" summer conditioning. So yeah, you're taking summer classes too. You're not going home. After summer conditioning you have fall practice, and then the season starts. Mind you, this is just the bare minimum; if you're a QB, RB, WR, et al, you're expected to organize 7 on 7's among teammates on your own time. That's working hard and going the extra mile. You think you're playing for Nick Saban and doing the minimum
? You still have your position meetings and film review. You have study hall at night too. How the fukk is all of that "free"? Something being free is not exclusive to money, or lack thereof. It's a job. You are not majoring in biochemistry doing all that, unless you're brilliant and unfortunately the overwhelming majority of the world isn't. Essentially, it boils down to this cat and mouse game the NCAA likes to play where they tell you student athletes are different, but not really. It's the proverbial moving of the goal post whenever it suits their agenda. When in reality it's a simple question: are student athletes "regular students" or not? It's clear they're not. They are often accepted into college under different requirements, they call boosters and tell them to come out to the games, they have "fan days" where fans show up and greet them and they autograph shyt for them, jersey for sale in the bookstore, mandatory study hall, they are suspended for stuff another student wouldn't be, they wear special backpacks with their numbers on them indicating they're an athlete, etc. Coaches ban Twitter, Instagram, etc. Could you imagine a professor or president telling a student or population of the school they couldn't use Twitter? Yet, Jimbo can ban Twitter and nobody bats an eyelash (this has really happened before). They are judged by a different standard. They also do stuff like this for the schools athletic fund raising:
"Johnny Football isn't just helping Texas A&M University on the football field.
The resurgence of Aggies football helped Texas A&M raise a record $740 million in donations during the past year."
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/co...cord-740-million-almost-doubles-longhorns.ece
No more of this blurring of the lines pretend shyt. Fortunately, that day is coming sooner than later.
Airtrack360
All Star
Wasn't this one of the reasons the NBA stopped allowing High Schoolers to go straight to the NBA. The NCAA was complaining that they were taking all the good players and they were loosing money.
Birnin Zana
Honorary Wakandan
I said it before and I'll say it again: let the athletes earn money outside of school, just like any university student with scholarship can. Problem solved.
If a company like Nike wants to sponsor a kid, and the kid gets paid for that, shouldn't be an issue. Just like a music student with a full scholarship can release an album and get paid for it.
That the kids can't make a living despite their likeness being used to generate billions is ridiculous.
If a company like Nike wants to sponsor a kid, and the kid gets paid for that, shouldn't be an issue. Just like a music student with a full scholarship can release an album and get paid for it.
That the kids can't make a living despite their likeness being used to generate billions is ridiculous.
I hear all of this and
to you for getting your life back on track.But I still don't see a reason to pay these athletes who are making a decision to engage in high level EXTRA-curricular activities
There are players who know they'll never go pro, and they don't delude themselves. They bust their asses and still come out with a degree and a set of life goals and a career path. I know these students personally from D1-D3. They were busy, but the ones who didn't fall into the trap of thinking they could enter pro-sports ended up re-focusing and salvaged themselves from what they thought they were.
Paying these kids doesn't solve anything...especially not the "time" issue.
Elite athletes at these schools get tons of support. Money isn't one of them. I'm sorry that some players come from troubling circumstances, but as a young adult, you have to make a decision of what you want out of life and what you want from your college experience.
You have a scholarship. Don't blow it.
This is why I support the NCAA removing restrictions on letting high schoolers go pro.
Actually, the kid playing basketball represents the school
The kid who makes an album is releasing an ACTUAL side project not related to the university. If that kid participates in a symphony performance at the school, they don't get paid from that.
Birnin Zana
Honorary Wakandan
Thank you! That's literally all the ncaa has to do: let the kids earn money off their work and likeness, just like ANY OTHER Student in America (and the world) can.
The crazy part is you still have ppl giving silly reasons on why this shouldn't be done. I'm starting to think that, aside for being brainwashed, a lot of them are low key haters. Seriously.
Birnin Zana
Honorary Wakandan
And the students getting full scholarships for academics, music, arts, and so on DON'T represent the school? LOL
If an athlete wants to write a damn book and get it published, there is no reason for him/her NOT getting paid for that. None.
The way things are, the athlete can't do a thing to earn a living while everyone else can. And for logical reason either