John Wall Is The Best PG In The Conference...

[OG Talk]

For most people scoring is the only thing that matters when it discussing who is better.

It's always been the Coli Caveat...The n1gga with the wet jumper is often labeled the best player...With every other aspect of the game outside of perimeter shooting being brushed off as minimal...

Its like the Mark McGuire/Sammy Sosa effect of chicks digging the long ball...

 

[OG Talk]

The 2010 NBA draft is looking more and more great as time goes on.

Yep...

Wall
Turner
Cousins
Monroe
George
Sanders
Bledsoe
Bradley
Lance
Hayward

Harder to find a better 10 out of any of the drafts post 2003....It just had a lot of late bloomers...

 

[mastermind]

Wall's teammates can make shots.

Kyrie passes to wide open Tristan Thompson and he throws a cinder-block at the backboard.

this isnt hating on Kyrie at all, but Wall was averaging 8 assists a game passing to a starting Jan Vesely, overweight and unmotivated Blatche, Javale, Chris Singleton, Alonzo Gee, a gunning Nick Young, Maurice Evans, etc.

Wall didnt get a pass then, and was slandered. All I can say to this argument is tough luck.

So is the only rebutle that Kyrie Irving is the best PG in the conference? I don't get what we're doing here...

I'll let them be 1.a and 1.b for the sake of moving the conversation forward...

Wall is balling







@ how he finishes with both hands

he a special player. He is the 2nd best facilitator in the league right now behind CP3 too.

 

[Basaglia]

nikkas furious Wall isn't the bum you thought he'd be.

Whoa...I ain't never say that man was gonna be a bum. Hell, I thought he'd be doing what Russy been doing by Year 2. I'm just saying what he is NOW in year four, compared to what he was supposedly gonna be....eh, it's a bit of a cyse to be beatin your chest about him now.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Whoa...I ain't never say that man was gonna be a bum. Hell, I thought he'd be doing what Russy been doing by Year 2. I'm just saying what he is NOW in year four, compared to what he was supposedly gonna be....eh, it's a bit of a cyse to be beatin your chest about him now.

You're supposed to be out in front in regards to speaking on a players dominance? So what it's happening now....it's happening.

 

[humble Hermit]

I remember nikkas viciously shytting on dude this time last year and me and @Black had to keep the positivity up float. When you're a dedicated fan that actually WATCHES games, you will see who the impact players in the league are. Before the season, I thought it was disrespectful that Dave Kalma(or whatever the fukk his name is) on nba.com did not list Wall in his top 10 pg to watch for for 13-14. I think Wall lives off of this energy. When Stan Van Gundy and David Falk shytted on him, he only came back harder. Shoutout to his Haters

 

[mastermind]

For most people scoring is the only thing that matters when discussing who is better.

It's always been the Coli Caveat...The n1gga with the wet jumper is often labeled the best player...With every other aspect of the game outside of perimeter shooting being brushed off as minimal...

Its like the Mark McGuire/Sammy Sosa effect of chicks digging the long ball...

been saying this for years. Its why Wall is the better offensive player because he does so much with the ball and helping his teammates.

I dont think brehs understand that Wall is about to get Trevor Ariza a big contract that he doesnt deserve, and got Martell Webster paid.

 

[Black]

Whoa...I ain't never say that man was gonna be a bum. Hell, I thought he'd be doing what Russy been doing by Year 2. I'm just saying what he is NOW in year four, compared to what he was supposedly gonna be....eh, it's a bit of a cyse to be beatin your chest about him now.

I'm not talking about you. I've heard on this board dude is a bum no hyperbole.

 

[Microfracture]

Kyrie and Wall is a wash at this point.

Wall went through a serious slump last season, similar to Kyrie's earlier this year. Now Kyrie is back to doing his thing but the Cavs are playing like trash as a team.

If I had to give the edge it would go to Wall. Better defense and twice the athlete.

 

[mastermind]

Whoa...I ain't never say that man was gonna be a bum. Hell, I thought he'd be doing what Russy been doing by Year 2. I'm just saying what he is NOW in year four, compared to what he was supposedly gonna be....eh, it's a bit of a cyse to be beatin your chest about him now.

the same excuses you making for Kyrie, you were slandering Wall with. You not objective here at all. (and I wont pretend I am either)

 

[Basaglia]

You're supposed to be out in front in regards to speaking on a players dominance? So what it's happening now....it's happening.

Not what I'm saying.

I'm saying what's HAPPENING...20/9, 43%, 31%...ain't even all that impressive when I've always kept in mind what he was SUPPOSED to be. That's all. Maybe he'll max out at 23/12 on 50% and 38%....I dunno. I doubt it.

 

[mastermind]

Kyrie and Wall is a wash at this point.

Wall went through a serious slump last season, similar to Kyrie's earlier this year. Now Kyrie is back to doing his thing but the Cavs are playing like trash as a team.

If I had to give the edge it would go to Wall. Better defense and twice the athlete.

Wall's slump was year 2, last year he was injured

The truth is a lot of the Wall hate came from that 2011-12 season when he looked like he didnt work on his game during that lockout, and then Kyrie exploded on the scene. There was no hate of Wall his rookie year, which woulda been ROY were it not for Blake Griffin dunking on the world. Then he didnt really progress 2011-12 and its been downhill from there.

He a special player brehs, just admit it. Wall going for All NBA (probably 3rd team ) and its going to make some people mad, and others will be the dikkriding groupies they are and just jump on for the ride.

 

[Basaglia]

the same excuses you making for Kyrie, you were slandering Wall with. You not objective here at all. (and I wont pretend I am either)

Yeah, let's not pretend. I'm good with where Kyrie at. You good with Wall. We shall see.

 

[TheNig]

Kyrie been "rolling" for nearly a month. The Cavs are a just DUMPSTER FIRE, dogg. I ain't gonna go on ANY board cysing Kyrie these days.

But that's what you're gonna do when they match up next time or if the Cavs start putting together some wins

 

[mastermind]

Yeah, let's not pretend. I'm good with where Kyrie at. You good with Wall. We shall see.

im not good with where Wall at.

He can do a lot better. His jumper is very streaky and he checks out on defense when he facing someone who cant shoot. He can be A LOT better, but he on his way. I dont like him just standing in the corner off the ball either, but I fear thats a product of Randy's offense which is still doo doo.

The problem is people decided to write the book on dude after year 2.

And again, when we had this discussion years ago and I told you he had wack teammates, you dismissed it because he the #1 pick and supposed to turn it aroudn. Well so is Kyrie and his team aint performing too well and you making excuses for him because he has wack teammates.


The truth is this, both dudes are special players. Special talents. Kyrie is going to improve his facilitating and an adequate defender while Wall will have a better jumper and improve his concentration on defense. Both dudes will be perennially all NBA types and will hopefully have playoff battles. Nothing is written with either guy.