KillbertArenas
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^^ KD is going to be a Wizard its inevitable..
John Wall or Russell Westbrook who you taking brehs
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Eternal Tecate
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Are we talking about KD switching teams right now? Or are we just talking about which team's other players we'd rather have... maybe I'm missing the point.
I mean, if you're arguing that KD would be better off by simply adding him to the Wizards, then yeah... of course.
If you're arguing that the "wiz minus wall" is better than the "thunder minus KD" then I disagree. Westbrook is legit a star already - nobody in the wiz core is at that level.
Nene and Gortat are all both good bigs, but they aren't special. Ibaka is giving you 17 and 10 with 3 blocks a game. Shoots 80% from the Line.
Gil Scott-Heroin
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I thought we were just talking about the 'cores' as a standalone.
Like on some Westbrook/IThabo/SF/Ibaka/Perkins vs PG/Beal/ArizaNene/Gortat type thing
Right.
Agreed.
But here's the thing, Westbrook alone with a jump shooting big (who's elite defensively might I add) and those two Nebenstimme ass nikkas is basically an above-average team that would desperately be fighting for an 8th seed out West. A team that consisted of Beal/Ariza/Nene/Gortat is not only more talented but is substantially better. There'd be no counter-balance to Westbrook's aggressive scoring; the floor would inevitably shrink and he'd have volume-lines comparable to 01-02 A.I.
The Thunder would have higher bad/good proportions than the Wizards would.
Nene and Gortat are fundamentally better scorers than Ibaka. Plus it isn't just Ibaka vs Gorat or Nene.... it's Nene/Gortat vs Ibaka/Perkins. Then you factor in Ariza vs Sefolosha, and well.....
To be fair. The Wizards WITH WALL might have been desperately fighting for the 8th seed out west. But I get your point. I don't think gortat/nene are fundamentally better scorers than Ibaka - neither has ever averaged more than 15 a game. But I'll assume you're talking about them being back-to-the-basket bigs, versus Ibaka, who scores a third of his baskets from the paint, and a third from beyond 16 feet.
I will however, point out that LaMarcus Aldridge scores only 19% of his baskets from around the hoop. A full 15% LESS than Ibaka.
Also... Ibaka scores 34% of his baskets around the hoop, Nene scores 38% from there. So the numbers are closer than even I realized before I looked them up.
I think we're just on different pages when it comes to how we'd want to build a core. Star potential versus more players with well rounded talent.
Gil Scott-Heroin
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I was being generous with that 8th seed shyt - just a meet at the bridge, halfway type thing.
Not to take away from Ibaka's abilities, but he can't create his own offense. Gortat and Nene can. Serge got that pager game. In his rawest form (which would be the case if he was the #2 option to Sabo), it would further expose the limits of the team's offense.
Where you going with that? I hope you ain't saying LMA don't have that low-post game......
Ibaka:
75% of his dunks are assisted
25% of his hook shots are assisted
39% of his jumpers are assisted
41% oh his layups are assisted
42% of his total shots are assisted + the 2.8 chances at second chance points from offensive rebounds
Nene:
59% of his dunks are assisted
14% of his hook shots are assisted
27% of his jumpers assisted
35% of his layups are assisted
31% of his total shots are assisted + the 1.2 chances at second chance points from offensive rebounds.
Although we haven't seen Ibaka given a full season to see what he could do without two ball-dominant players, with 42% probably not the most accurate # if he had more solo touches - it still doesn't validate a cause to suggest he could create from scratch like Nene can.
Plus Nene doesn't play in open fields like Ibaka does, when teams are all chasing after Westbrook and Durant.
Oh nah, I'm a star potential supporter too, it's just that it's completely thrown out the window when you've got one-way players like Thabo and Perkins thrown into the mix.
I didn't mean to suggest that. As a player who shoots more jumpers, you obviously depend on a timely pass (unless you're carmelo
)...I'd rather throw it to nene on the block 10 times before I throw it to Ibaka a second. I'm just saying that a player like Ibaka, especially in today's nba, can be just as effective as a back-to-the-basket guy of similar talent levels. THAT'S why I brought up LMA - who has a better post game than BOTH of them, but still shoots a TON of jumpers.
And over the course of the season, a 10-15% differential in types of shots assisted can be accounted for by differences in offensive scheme.
But I hear you, I don't even talk about Perkins when I talk about this OKC core, he's not a part of their future plans. and fukk is he horrible to watch.
So much stupid stuff said in this thread.
Im waiting on Wall to carry his team
Im waiting on Wall to carry his team
Yet russell westbrook has been part of a top 20 offense in nba history and wall hasn't
DoubleJ13
Smooth sailing from here on out...
How did I miss this?
The westbrook for rondo threads are too embarrassing for me to up
How did I miss this?