Johnny Football Being Invesigated for Profiting from Autographs

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Thats just as bad.

Companies using free labor instead of hiring employees or paying interns.



They are not going to get educated and the school or team is not concerned about them being educated.

When has paying someone is something other than money ever been ok?

I got paid in experience and job training. Something more important than money.
Didn't bother me 1 bit not getting paid.
 

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how do you figure that? That's real cost

Are you :troll: right now?

All that shyt has a cost, how could you think otherwise?

Yall are idiots and @Walt has been giving yall insight on how flawed these arguments are.

I got paid in experience and job training. Something more important than money.
Didn't bother me 1 bit not getting paid.

No offense, but you are a dumbass.

In what world is experience and job training better than getting Cash money.

Free internship is just a way for companies to get free labor and not have to pay labor and/or benefits for work performed.

Free food,
Free weight training,
Free medical,
Free housing,
Free travel,
free tutors,
coaching,
free books
Free tuition

These things aren't free breh, but the university makes it free for 60-90 "student athletes" a year. These costs go up every yr breh

These things are all giving to benefit the school, NOT the Players.

You don't need Free Travel, coaching, weight training to be a student and get an education.

All that other stuff is so that they can get more money for the school, because the better the Football program the more money school makes.
 

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i know the 'that is a joke' thing about college football players' education but i PERSONALLY KNOW MULTIPLE players who went to michigan that have used their degrees they got through scholarship to have solid careers they wouldn'tve had (or at least the same opportunities) that athletics provided them. One went to the NFL, career was short (3 seasons or so), and his DEGREE has proven more VALUABLE than even his nfl contract. The other BROKE HIS NECK and michigan honored his scholarship, he is doing as good as any other michigan grad can be now.

I really think you all are undervauing a scholarship to some of these major universities. I'M NOT SAYING ITS EQUAL, but there IS value to the opportunity it provides.


that said

none of this matters because manziel knew the rule, broke the rule, and should be ruled ineligible.

Another bullshyt argument when the value of a degree is going down every single year.

What you described are exceptions, not the norm.

There are systems in place to push players to certain majors where the administrators and professors will look the other way so kids want get into academic trouble.

Going to college is not just about going to class and getting a degree, its about interactions and becoming a well rounded human being.

You don't get that by having play football
 

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Going to college is not just about going to class and getting a degree, its about interactions and becoming a well rounded human being.

You don't get that by having play football

I'd think the exact opposite was true
 

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These things are all giving to benefit the school, NOT the Players.

You don't need Free Travel, coaching, weight training to be a student and get an education.

All that other stuff is so that they can get more money for the school, because the better the Football program the more money school makes.

How is free food, free travel, free tuition, free coaching, free housing, etc giving the benefit to the school? These are all the perks of having a D1 scholarship, especially in football. These all come at a cost to the university and then multiply that by 60-90 football players. That may not be important to y'all advocating for student athletes to get paid, but those are real costs

Your argument doesn't really make sense
 

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I'd think the exact opposite was true

No,

Football players don't get the group projects, spending time in the library, study groups interacting with professors, going to hear the plethora of speakers that show up on campus.

Football players don't come close to getting the full college experience that makes you able to transition to the work world and work environment.

How is free food, free travel, free tuition, free coaching, free housing, etc giving the benefit to the school? These are all the perks of having a D1 scholarship, especially in football. These all come at a cost to the university and then multiply that by 60-90 football players. That may not be important to y'all advocating for student athletes to get paid, but those are real costs

Your argument doesn't really make sense

:dafukk:

All of this stuff is so the school can field the best team possible.

None of this stuff is a cost to the university. The fixed cost of this stuff will still be intact if the football scholarships didn't exist
 

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No,

Football players don't get the group projects, spending time in the library, study groups interacting with professors, going to hear the plethora of speakers that show up on campus.

Football players don't come close to getting the full college experience that makes you able to transition to the work world and work environment.

That's debatable, especially your second point about the full college experience. Yes, they are there first and foremost to play football(at thr D1 level at least) but the doors you can open and contacts you build directly through the football program are opportunities that a regular undergrad student sure as hell doesnt see. If you're, say a Michigan alum, like Ed said, who played football...that right there is a golden ticket if you have a degree. Companies love athletes to begin with.
 
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That's debatable, especially your second point about the full college experience. Yes, they are there first and foremost to play football(at thr D1 level at least) but the doors you can open and contacts you build directly through the football program are opportunities they regular undergrad student sure as hell doesnt see. If you're, say a Michigan alum, like Ed said, who played football...that right there is a golden ticket if you have a degree. Companies love athletes to begin with.

A majority of players don't graduate

A majority of players are pushed into "personal finance" and recreation management majors
 

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should the schools be responsible for giving more to athletes than a scholarship and all that goes along with that? no. i dont think its feasible. its the ncaa that needs to change and allow these players the opportunity to make their own lincensing deals, and earn from their fame and their likeness while in school. the ncaa isnt educating jack shyt, the school is, yet the ncaa is raking in the billions of dollars in tv and merchandising rights off these players with virtually little in return to the players. the onus isnt on the school to provide more to the players, its on the ncaa. it should come from their end, not the schools
 
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Yall are idiots and @Walt has been giving yall insight on how flawed these arguments are.



No offense, but you are a dumbass.

In what world is experience and job training better than getting Cash money.

Free internship is just a way for companies to get free labor and not have to pay labor and/or benefits for work performed.
.

not getting some money for a couple months vs not getting an internship at all and having no experience in what I want to do with my life...hmmm yea I'm a dumb ass :rudy:
give a man a fish or teach him to fish bruh
 

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i know the 'that is a joke' thing about college football players' education but i PERSONALLY KNOW MULTIPLE players who went to michigan that have used their degrees they got through scholarship to have solid careers they wouldn'tve had (or at least the same opportunities) that athletics provided them. One went to the NFL, career was short (3 seasons or so), and his DEGREE has proven more VALUABLE than even his nfl contract. The other BROKE HIS NECK and michigan honored his scholarship, he is doing as good as any other michigan grad can be now.

I really think you all are undervauing a scholarship to some of these major universities. I'M NOT SAYING ITS EQUAL, but there IS value to the opportunity it provides.


that said

none of this matters because manziel knew the rule, broke the rule, and should be ruled ineligible.

All of this is true, but the BOLDED AND UNDERLINED is the shyt cats will just float right the fukk past it. This ain't a watershed moment. This ain't Curt Flood or Title IX. Don't try to use his situation as a reason to argue the rule. He's even blatantly said his folks got cash so he don't even need the money. He just thought the rules didn't apply like most entitled rich kids and it's coming back around again. If Manziel really wanted to make a statement about his likeness he would've joined the Ed O'Bannon lawsuit. Instead, he cutting side deals in secret. Could you imagine if he joined that suit? That really would've brought the conversation to the forefront instead of it being hidden by ESPN/CBS like the NCAA wants.

Also, Ed is on point with the scholarships as well. Most everyone I know that had a scholarship eventually graduated. Even if they came back a few years later. It's the rare minority that drop off and become yard duty attendants at their hometown elementary. The NFL sends old players around to speak with most of the teams to make sure everyone understands the long term value of the degree. Bubba Smith talked to us.....I was in the room like "Oh shyt. Hightower telling me to get a degree"
 

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didnt pryor do similar shyt and basically get 5 games suspension and more or less kicked the fukk out?
 
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