Jon B says that Chris Brown is more talented than Michael Jackson

[010101]

Bro. This nikka MJ pulled from plenty artists that were from WAY before his time. Fred Estair, Jackie Wilson, and the list goes on. That nikka was to entertainment what Bruce Lee was to martial arts. It was studied like a religion. He didn't have any more access than any other entertainer on Motown or any other label back then. He came in with BROTHERS my guy. All were talented. There was only ONE MJ brodie. This shyt is a cop out imo.

the comparison was not to other motown greats

even contemporaries of that era

because even if the comparison was drawn between cb & other artists of that time you would see the difference in investment & development

mj came first from joes structure & that was from birth basically

mj was the most driven & motivated of the Jackson children that's a major factor

he was the jackson brother that had no balance to his life he sacrificed it all to entertainment where the others had more concerns for normal shyte

first hand witness to the process of other greats having the whole library of entertainment history accessible to him

10+ jackson5 albums 4 solos deep before off the wall

that's a world of polish & practice a world of professional development being allowed to grow

all the brothers were monsters if you just take them & stand them alone in comparison to the current crop of artists

even just looking at the fact janet his sister is the woman who is the best combo of studiocraft/stagecraft(beyonce being worth a mention here came from a similar recipe mathew knowles driven & coming in with destiny.child at the tale end of the label artist development actually putting work into artists)

cb came out the crowd from being at home watching bet & mtv like everyone else but he somehow picked up a prodigious skillset

cb gets signed then within a year plus has to cut a album & be ready to hit the stage fresh from the virginia sticks

it's in noway comparable

mj was 5star with all the ingredients & it makes sense

bhris was a microwave artist prepared from thin air but somehow resembles something 5star & it makes no sense


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[spliz]

I literally said he didn't invent the moonwalk or robot so that means he wasn't first.

MJ is better and you know this because when @spliz posted some MJ songs you didn't reply to him with any Chris Brown songs.

You think Chris is better than prove it. Post the songs you think are so great.

I'm not even responding to that nikka no more he just speaking in circles and not proving nothing. Just completely emotional and nonsensical argument.

 

[Versa]

Chris Brown is incredible. I got my girl tickets to the Breezy Bowl and started really digging into his discography.

FAME, Heartbreak on a Full Moon, and especially Indigo are incredible bodies of work. FAME had so many hits from top to bottom that it reminds me of thriller in that regard lol.

11:11 cited by fans and maybe being his best work yet.

That dude is everything his fans say he is. MJ is the GOAT, but CB is def his seed.

Comparing Chris Brown to MJ is like comparing Jim Jones to Jay Z. Like times 10. People don't realize how ridiculous and illogical this comparison is.

This is silly. Chris Brown is ridiculously talented. Jim Jones is not lol.

 

[Tribal Outkast]

The fact that these people have to compare Chris to Michael Jackson says a lot.

 

[Mike the Executioner]

I'm not even responding to that nikka no more he just speaking in circles and not proving nothing. Just completely emotional and nonsensical argument.

He has some embarrassing takes in here, denying MJ's pen game and claiming that Chris is arguably a better writer than him.

I've always been a fan of Chris, but people really get disrespectful if things aren't in front of their face. Michael Jackson is Michael Jackson. Period. There will never be another one. He literally changed the course of music, revived the record industry when it was at an all-time low, revolutionized music videos and helped MTV soar to new heights, turned the Super Bowl halftime show into an anticipated event, influenced generations of legendary artists. Even after all this time, they still use him as the measuring stick because no one else did it like he did it. Stop comparing people to him and let him rest peacefully.

Seriously, he said Chris is arguably a better writer?! What the fukk was he thinking with his posts in here?!

 

[Shadow King]

He has some embarrassing takes in here, denying MJ's pen game and

I said using "Chris barely writes" when neither artist writes by themselves is hypocritical...can't fukking stand yall

 

[Phitz]

Didnt Michael Jackson play a few instruments(nit as much as Prince I read but still)

 

[klutch2381]

I don't think people really appreciate how prolific Stevie Wonder was across multiple decades. Chord progressions, experimental sounds, song writing. R.Kelly is probably the closest we've had to Stevie in modern music.

So AINT NO WAY Chris Brown on the same planet as these gentlemen. And not even in the same universe as MJ.


If we are being honest, Breezy is just a slightly more successful Ginuwine (although G prob has more lasting hits).

Yeah, I didn’t understand that post because Stevie is probably the greatest contemporary R&B artist in history. Dude’s greatest hits is a whole ass four albums long . At one point, he had the most Grammys in history. His list of accomplishments is insane. Imagine someone, hell anyone, dropping some shyt like Songs in the Key of Life today? Like, people be geeked off Sza, Frank Ocean, and Summer Walker lyrics and shyt now. The bar is soooooooooo low compared to Stevie’s day in terms of musicianship, and I’m a Frank fan.

Stevie is musical royalty. Also, a lot of people don’t know that Stevie was/is related to Michael and the Jackson’s anyway.

 

[spliz]

I said using "Chris barely writes" when neither artist writes by themselves is hypocritical...can't fukking stand yall

MJ wrote music. More music than Chris. And he’s even written for other artists. He’s wrote ALOT of his hit records. He would actually do the rough drafts of the songs at his fukking house. U literally have no idea what ur talking about. Regardless of what u say. Chris doesn’t write better music than MJ. It’s not even close. And u can’t provide any songs to support ur claim either. Because it’s a bullshyt claim.

 

[Mike the Executioner]

MJ wrote music. More music than Chris. And he’s even written for other artists. He’s wrote ALOT of his hit records. He would actually do the rough drafts of the songs at his fukking house. U literally have no idea what ur talking about. Regardless of what u say. Chris doesn’t write better music than MJ. It’s not even close. And u can’t provide any songs to support ur claim either. Because it’s a bullshyt claim.

I can't even respond to that and I'm shocked you have to explain it. Do people still not know that Michael was a prolific writer? Damn near the entire Bad album was written by him?

 

[Supa]

You literally saying that emphasized my point. You acknowledge he didn't invent dance moves, same as Chris, but "there was no one like Michael before Michael". You're giving him credit for being first to capture the imagination, not necessarily be better at dancing.

No, he is better because the dances he got from others he did them in his own style to the point that they became associated with him.

The moonwalk and robot are only two dances. MJ has a ton of signature moves of his own.

MJ could incorporate someone else's moves, put his own unique style into them, and still create his own moves.

Chris has zero signature moves. He just does bunch of styles while not having a unique style he can call his own.

Advantage MJ.

I already spoke to why I didn't entertain him, but y'all keep using catalogue in the "more talented" argument when catalogue is more than talent. Y'all are acting like MJ is One Man Band Man.

They're both recording artists but you want downplay their catalogs because you know your argument is DOA in that category. That's not going to work because the talent is shown through the music.

MJ wasn't some kid they put in a studio and did exactly as he was told. He wrote songs (he's in the songwriters hall of fame), he wrote songs for other artists, he'd record harmonies and vocal arrangements, he'd record himself beat boxing and mimicking instruments then play that to the producers and musicians to play them out, etc...

MJ was highly involved in every aspect of his music. That talent is the reason behind the greatness of his catalog.

Now you need tell us about Chris' talent and why it's superior.

 

[theflyest]

Imma listen to off the wall, thriller, and bad forever. Yall can go listen to whatever Chris Browns bullshyt is. Nygga make lil kid music

 

[Shadow King]

No, he is better because the dances he got from others he did them in his own style to the point that they became associated with him.

The moonwalk and robot are only two dances. MJ has a ton of signature moves of his own.

MJ could incorporate someone else's moves, put his own unique style into them, and still create his own moves.

Chris has zero signature moves. He just does bunch of styles while not having a unique style he can call his own.

Advantage MJ.



They're both recording artists but you want downplay their catalogs because you know your argument is DOA in that category. That's not going to work because the talent is shown through the music.

MJ wasn't some kid they put in a studio and did exactly as he was told. He wrote songs (he's in the songwriters hall of fame), he wrote songs for other artists, he'd record harmonies and vocal arrangements, he'd record himself beat boxing and mimicking instruments then play that to the producers and musicians to play them out, etc...

MJ was highly involved in every aspect of his music. That talent is the reason behind the greatness of his catalog.

Now you need tell us about Chris' talent and why it's superior.

And Chris has done plenty of moves that "no one does like him".

Yes, they're both recording artists, I'm not downplaying anything, I'm telling you that catalogue is more than talent, therefore to keep placing it front & center is faulty as it undermines what goes into making an album. You keep taking things to an extreme that I'm not arguing, as are all of you. Nobody said Mike was just a kid who got put in a studio. I'm aware of Mike's involvement in his music. The niqqa whose posts you citing hypocritically said "Chris barely writes" as if Mike wrote by himself. Neither artist exclusively wrote or produced records by themselves, and Chris especially didn't have a Quincy Jones overseeing the direction of his transition to an adult artist.

@010101 has essentially said what ya'll don't wanna hear.

 

[Supa]

And Chris has done plenty of moves that "no one does like him".

Yes, they're both recording artists, I'm not downplaying anything, I'm telling you that catalogue is more than talent, therefore to keep placing it front & center is faulty as it undermines what goes into making an album. You keep taking things to an extreme that I'm not arguing, as are all of you. Nobody said Mike was just a kid who got put in a studio. I'm aware of Mike's involvement in his music. The niqqa whose posts you citing hypocritically said "Chris barely writes" as if Mike wrote by himself. Neither artist exclusively wrote or produced records by themselves, and Chris especially didn't have a Quincy Jones overseeing the direction of his transition to an adult artist.

@010101 has essentially said what ya'll don't wanna hear.

Chris has access to any current producer and songwriters so no excuses.

Choosing the right people to work with is artistic vision and that's directly tied to talent.

 

[Plankton]

MJ is the goat and it's not close but Chris brown is the second best entertainer of all time when it comes to the total package (sing,dance, choreography, catalogue, stage presence) the only two people that be in the conversation for second is Beyoncé and prince but I seen both this past year and Chris brown put on a better show

If you can't have an unbiased conversation, we could just stop this conversation now, but I actually like every artist you mentioned so I can have an unbiased conversation I'm sorry, but usher isn't a better performer than Chris Brown. Chris Brown is a better dancer and has better stage presence and energy Chris Brown total catalogue is better than ushers but usher do got the best album between the two (confessions) ..Chuck Berry is the king of rock 'n' roll but Chris Brown is definitely a better performer than Chuck Berry due to the culture advancing and dance will be more complex compared to the 50s and Stevie Wonder is my R&B goat. He is a better overall artist than Chris Brown but as a performer, Ray Charles is a better artist than Chris Brown and his musically better but strictly as a performer, Chris Brown is better that's why I said total package

You're putting Chris Brown over James Brown as the total package? The same James Brown whose catalogue is all over too many classic Hip Hop samples (Funky Drummer is just one example)? The same James Brown that had Michael saying at his funeral that when he saw James Brown on TV as a kid he knew right then and there what he wanted to do for the rest of his life?