JonBenet Ramsey, so it was the parents?

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The Geraldo shyt is just insane. Our media system is sickening lol

I don't know if that dynamic started back then, but the whole thing where people analyze some media appearance, and say "they must be guilty"

And they don't review any information, don't question anything, don't read anything. You see this all the time on social media. "oh I just feel like they did it"

 

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She had a 7 inch deep skull fracture. Patsy did that? for what reason? And then sexually abused her child, with asphixytiation.

 

[Squirrel from Meteor Man]

There was a straight up open window, still opened, with a suitcase placed beneath it, like someone who was kinda short and needed it to climb up, or was expecting the small child to do so.

This was confirmed to be done by one of the police officers who were in the home

 

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How I first heard about this case, was at a hair salon with my Mom when I was like 11 or 12. Throughout 1997, I would see the tabloids while I was waiting for my Mom and I read all of them. The coverage was so wild.

but I still think there is very little to point at the Ramsey's.

 

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Damn wish I had Netflix this doc sounds good. Can't put too much trust i *anything* that was put out there by cops at the time.

Yea I actually changed my mind a lot from my responses from those immediate moments I watched it.

It focuses on the incompetence of the police department and will make you empathetic atleast a little towards the parents when you see how fast it went to the world pointing fingers at them killing their child when it was a lot of misinformation out there. It makes you think it was a smear campaign almost .

But in conclusion I’m back to where I started. That both of them should be in jail. Wife is deceased of course. They omitted a lot of information about the case, ALOT. And in that sense it’s only good to watch to see how the world responded and see the chain of events that took place. So honestly you don’t have to watch it. Lol. If you watch , fact check it

 

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The offender pathology just isn't there. To inflict a horrific crime, with sexual sadism, asphyxiating her own daughter with a self made garrotte? nothing in the background, nothing in foreground. It's not credible.

 

[Eastside Get The Money]

Damn I’m still in this thread

Another final thing I’ll say is that Blake will sue tf out of you so every doc or podcast I have heard they wear white gloves and step on eggshells just like the Netflix doc. He sued and won against CBS and yeah

I listened to the Morbid podcast and they had to say allegedly about 100 times. I just listened for the Crime Junkie pod and they barely mentioned Burke.

Any doc or podcast you listen to while John or Burke is still alive is going to be pro family

 

[Eastside Get The Money]

an intruder is being able to enter the home, confront the child, assault and commit a murder, place the body in an obscure, concealed basement room, remember to latch the peg, then take the time to find the required writing materials inside the house to create the note without disturbing or alerting any other occupants?stop it man

ON CHRISTMAS

These white folks better stop playing with me this wouldn’t even happen in a Stephen King book

 

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The offender pathology just isn't there. To inflict a horrific crime, with sexual sadism, asphyxiating her own daughter with a self made garrotte? nothing in the background, nothing in foreground. It's not credible.

Hear me out I said this at first, but the housekeeper saw her differently and observed unsettling behavior and testified to the grand jury. That mother wrote that letter regardless of whatever the rest of the story is. FBI didn’t clear her writing like I thought. They just said they couldn’t rule for sure that she did or didn’t write it. Grand jury had other experts who determined she did write it. Most writing forgery experts who have seen it agree. It’s her handwriting. The page was taken from her notepad and a draft found in it. What kidnapper is coming without the letter and thinking doing all this to search for a stationary / notepad to write a 3 page letter, when he didn’t even perform a kidnapping. Even if the kid died, the parents don’t have to know. You would take the body to collect the ransom, because you assume cops will sweep the house of a crime scene. I was literally thinking the same as you til I came across why the grand jury made that ruling and the info not shown in the doc

They never received a call in regards to the ransom. Not to mention the family carried on as if they didn’t actually expect it. Phone rang multiple times where they were non chalant and sometimes ignored them barely looking to see who is calling.
https://juror13lw.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/linda-arndt-jan-8-1997-report.pdf

 

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Hear me out I said this at first, but the housekeeper saw her differently and observed unsettling behavior and testified to the grand jury. That mother wrote that letter regardless of whatever the rest of the story is. FBI didn’t clear her writing like I thought. They just said they couldn’t rule for sure that she did or didn’t write it. Grand jury had other experts who determined she did write it. Most writing forgery experts who have seen it agree. It’s her handwriting. The page was taken from her notepad and a draft found in it. What kidnapper is coming without the letter and thinking doing all this to search for a stationary / notepad to write a 3 page letter, when he didn’t even perform a kidnapping. Even if the kid died, the parents don’t have to know. You would take the body. I was literally thinking the same as you til I came across why the grand jury made that ruling and the info not shown in the doc

I read that book in 2000, and have never thought since then that the family had anything to do with it. But, as a kid I did, because of the tabloids. It's not this doc, but they did bring up some interesting points. If there was something that was truly compelling, I would change my mind, but that handwriting shyt isn't compelling to me. It's one of those things that's on a scale. Basically saying we can't 100% rule out Patsy. The stationary, yeah, I think the suspect did it on their stationary for some unknown reason. Just like he used the paintbrush.

The fact that the Boulder PD, who barely handled one homicide a year, barely investigated this and fukked it up from the beginning. There's never been a solid case against them. The grand jury didn't indict them.

He wasn't really a kidnapper, in that sense, like he was really trying to get the ransom. It's a delay tactic. It's to cause confusion. Maybe inflict pain. Mislead investigators. Because we can't discern whether he wanted to abuse her in the basement and then take her, or he just improvised, like he couldn't resist and then she started crying or resisting and he cracked her. The Mom didn't wack the 6 year old so hard it caused a skull fracture. Then sexually abused her own daughter, to cover it up. It just doesn't work as a credible theory. Then she goes on CNN, sits with investigators, goes on Larry King live with her accusers...

 

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I read that book in 2000, and have never thought since then that the family had anything to do with it. But, as a kid I did, because of the tabloids. It's not this doc, but they did bring up some interesting points. If there was something that was truly compelling, I would change my mind, but that handwriting shyt isn't compelling to me. It's one of those things that's on a scale. Basically saying we can't 100% rule out Patsy. The stationary, yeah, I think the suspect did it on their stationary for some unknown reason. Just like he used the paintbrush.

The fact that the Boulder PD, who barely handled one homicide a year, barely investigated this and fukked it up from the beginning. There's never been a solid case against them. The grand jury didn't indict them.

He wasn't really a kidnapper, in that sense, like he was really trying to get the ransom. It's a delay tactic. It's to cause confusion. Maybe inflict pain. Mislead investigators. Because we can't discern whether he wanted to abuse her in the basement and then take her, or he just improvised, like he couldn't resist and then she started crying or resisting and he cracked her. The Mom didn't wack the 6 year old so hard it caused a skull fracture. Then sexually abused her own daughter, to cover it up. It just doesn't work as a credible theory. Then she goes on CNN, sits with investigators, goes on Larry King live with her accusers...

That’s an official supplemental police report I posted. Not a book. And no even you know it makes no sense…a ransom call never came through. Nobody is feeling bad to where they will not proceed on a 118k ransom after torturing a little girl in her home while her parents lie upstairs , taking all the time in the world . And in their mindstate, writes a long ass 3 page letter pretending to be from a foreign faction while still saying they respect his business and mentioning him being a southerner. This is a woman’s writing. And the experts say it matches hers to a T. Didn’t say anything about anything else, but she wrote that letter. People usually don’t write more than a paragraph or 2 . But 3 pages! lol. But yes they are diverting. It was never meant to be a ransom , because the mother is covering up what actually happened. No signs of entry either.

 

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That’s the official police report I posted. Not a book. And a ransom call never came through. Nobody is feeling bad to where they will not proceed on a 118k ransom after torturing a little girl in her home while her parents lie upstairs , taking all the time in the world . And in their rushed state, writes a long ass 3 page letter pretending to be from a foreign faction while still saying they respect his business and mentioning him being a southerner. This is a woman’s writing. And the experts say it matches hers to a T. Didn’t say anything about anything else, but she wrote that letter. People usually don’t write more than a paragraph or 2 . But 3 pages! lol. But yes they are diverting. It was never meant to be a ransom , because the mother is covering up what actually happened. No signs of entry either.

The experts never said it matched hers to a T lol

The psychology and motive make ZERO SENSE from the parents perspective.. bed wetting? That had apparently happened with numerous of the kids, and does everyday with kids across America. She had just had cancer and survived to see her kids grow up a little older, you think she gives AF about her daughter occasionally wetting the bed? What a dumb idiotic scenario

 

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The experts never said it matched hers to a T lol

The psychology and motive make ZERO SENSE from the parents perspective.. bed wetting? That had apparently happened with numerous of the kids, and does everyday with kids across America. She had just had cancer and survived to see her kids grow up a little older, you think she gives AF about her daughter occasionally wetting the bed? What a dumb idiotic scenario

Don’t get me confused with some of the other people on here. I’m talking about the writing. I’m in arguments on here disproving the bed wetting. The sheets weren’t even wet. And there were plenty of foreinsic writing experts who said that is her writing. It was presented for the grand jury. I already stated that the fbi said they can’t say she did or didnt do it. It was too big similarities but not enough to say she did it. Im only speaking about who wrote that letter which came from her notepad which also contained a pre-draft . Not anything else. I have no idea what else went on. But no mystery person crept in the home and wrote that bullshyt . It’s a fact the feds called it a fake

According to retired FBI Supervisory Special Agent/Profile, Jim Clemente and other experts, the note would have taken the writer 21 and a half minutes to write (CBS Real Crime

A handwriting expert who examined the ransom note left in the JonBenet Ramsey case says it's likely the letter was written by the girl's late mother, Patsy.

In an interview with US news show 20/20, which is taking a look at the case 20 years on, handwriting expert Cina Wong, said: "It's highly probable that she wrote the ransom note."

In total, Wong found more than 200 similarities in the writing of the ransom note and the 100 samples of Patsy Ramsey's penmanship.

FBI Investigators Explain Why They Think the JonBenét Ransom Note Was Staged

Did the killer actually write the note?

www.yahoo.com

 

[Macallik86]

Between this, the Menedez trial and the Oscar Pistorious trial, it's clear that public opinion is a b!tch.

 

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- The former agent, Greg McCrary, had served 25 years with the FBI and indicated that he had at one time been recruited by one of the Ramsey defense
investigators to join their team. McCrary did not hesitate to decline the offer, and cited his reasons in the article:

"Because on a ratio of 12 to 1, child murders are committed by parents or a family member. In this case, you also have an elaborate 'staging' - the ransom note, the placement of the child's body - and I have never in
my career seen or heard about a staging where
was not a family member - or someone very close to the family. Just the note alone told me the killer
was in the family or close to it." With regard to the ransom note and practice note found on Patsy's notepad, McCrary went on to say that "Kidnappers do not spend hours at a crime scene after murdering their victims composing letters”