Jordan Peterson, YouTube comments, IQ and a Response

[null]

OP gotta have a agenda for bringing up this irrelevant cac.

Yeah right. I read the question and it took me a mo to see the gaps. I wanted to know what people on here thought.

I was actually more interested in what about that statement makes it a slippery thing to argue against. Part of it is the "deny IQ" part not being defined but there is something else.

Whether you ignore him or not Jordan Peterson is not irrelevant as he and his buddies are everywhere these days.

"Agenda" ?

 

[Black Sinatra]

...he makes good points from a psychological viewpoint. I think all issues can be solved psychologically.

 

[Black Sinatra]

He is the incel cac superhero...its rapidly approaching that point for him. He used to not like the association as he knew racial talking points would nullify his vast experience and study....and validity.

 

[Moody]

cacs really took ur ability to critically think away. they know they are not as naturally smart as us so they created a racist test that yall still believe in

The reality is that IQ scores:
A) measure developed skills, not native intelligence.
B) can change dramatically.
C) don't say anything about a person's intellectual limits.

Iq tests and their links to race have already been explained away though. It's being tweaked to measure deductive reasoning skills and overall access to education.

For instance the average African American male is equal with his white counterparts within the millennial age group when adjusted for poverty and access to education. Interestingly they are also several units higher than white people born in the generation prior.

There is zero provable link between intelligence and race. If there were black kids today wouldn't be smarter than whites of older generations which they are by many accounts. They also wouldn't have been able to close the gap (created by Jim crow and slavery) within a single generation.

Currently African American males outperform slavs on almost every level with regards to iq testing for instance.

The issue with iq tests is that they're incomplete and only encompass certain components of scholastics. They need to get better. But the actual test when finalized will be a great way to monitor education levels. Cause that's all that matters when testing for them in a large population.

 

[null]

...he makes good points from a psychological viewpoint. I think all issues can be solved psychologically.

He says hierarchies in lobsters (iirc) means human hierarchies are fine.
He dodges questions and lets his audience fill in the blanks.
He says women have no role to play in modern workplaces.
He routinely bait and switches topics.
He constantly talks about postmodern marxism (an oxymoron) without defining it.
He plays the man not the ball with his lead with ideology (left vs. right) arguments and talking points.

etc

He is a fraud.

 

[MIKE SPLEAN]

Who

 

[Doomsday]

IQ measures limited aspects of logico-mathematical and linguistical intelligence.

If I could choose for my child to perform better in the aspects of intelligence measured by IQ, I would, just as I would choose for my child to have a better vertical. It is a rational choice to make.

This question does not attack or even make buldge any of the criticism made against IQ testing, and paradoxically, would be considered as low-IQ reasoning.

I read that in Jordan Peterson's voice.

 

[Black Sinatra]

He says hierarchies in lobsters (iirc) means human hierarchies are fine.
He dodges questions and lets his audience fill in the blanks.
He says women have no role to play in modern workplaces.
He routinely bait and switches topics.
He constantly talks about postmodern marxism (an oxymoron) without defining it.
He plays the man not the ball with his lead with ideology (left vs. right) arguments and talking points.

etc

He is a fraud.

He believes hierarchies are natural, predictable, and sociologically inevitable. I mostly agree here.

He doesn't say women have "no role", he believes women are different enough innately as to generate a different outcome given same playing field in any given societal work population. They choose predictable fields of interests considerably enough that its counterproductive in the gender neutrality argument. I have my issues with his view here, mostly as he cites the Scandinavian studies, and theorize differences given different societies.
His oratory style is one of a seasoned academic "which he is" and published psychologist...its on the authoritative side... ill agree. I can deal with it. Ideology? He self proclaims to be anti ideologue, but you will hear conservative ideas. Which is rare for a social sciences centric or psychologist type. Id wager he desires nonconformity in his field, he's a theorist at heart, that's the point....which is good.... because unsettled science is debatable. Fraud is a bit extra tho.

 

[African Peasant]

It’s always these basement dwelling cacs with no achievements whatsoever who keep going on about IQ.

No.

 

[swerve]

In the video the mathematics behind IQ is discussed. Can be hard to follow if you dont know so much math but he is basically saying that Peterson doesnt know what the fukk hes talking about

 

[null]

He believes hierarchies are natural, predictable, and sociologically inevitable. I mostly agree here.

He doesn't say women have "no role", he believes women are different enough innately as to generate a different outcome given same playing field in any given societal work population. They choose predictable fields of interests considerably enough that its counterproductive in the gender neutrality argument. I have my issues with his view here, mostly as he cites the Scandinavian studies, and theorize differences given different societies.
His oratory style is one of a seasoned academic "which he is" and published psychologist...its on the authoritative side... ill agree. I can deal with it. Ideology? He self proclaims to be anti ideologue, but you will hear conservative ideas. Which is rare for a social sciences centric or psychologist type. Id wager he desires nonconformity in his field, he's a theorist at heart, that's the point....which is good.... because unsettled science is debatable. Fraud is a bit extra tho.

I'll start with the first one - "He believes hierarchies are natural, predictable, and sociologically inevitable. ".
He can believe what he wants. My problem is with manner in which he uses that example to suggest that hierarchies are both inevitable and acceptable.
If presence in the animal kingdom means something is right then we can all go back to barbarism and cannibalism.
What he says means that we as human beings should sanction any and every behaviour found in the animal kingdom, which is obvious nonsense.
Nonsense, not least because animals have conflicting behavioural patterns.

It's childish reasoning and totally absurd when you examine it.
His brainless followers are unable to do so however.

I could do a similar breakdown if I wanted to with all the other points that I listed.

 

[Trece]

Dude got famous for refusing to call trehs zir and they..

I agree with him on that nonsense

 

[Black Sinatra]

I'll start with the first one - "He believes hierarchies are natural, predictable, and sociologically inevitable. ".
He can believe what he wants. My problem is with manner in which he uses that example to suggest that hierarchies are both inevitable and acceptable.
If presence in the animal kingdom means something is right then we can all go back to barbarism and cannibalism.
What he says means that we as human beings should sanction any and every behaviour found in the animal kingdom, which is obvious nonsense.
Nonsense, not least because animals have conflicting behavioural patterns.

It's childish reasoning and totally absurd when you examine it.
His brainless followers are unable to do so however.

I could do a similar breakdown if I wanted to with all the other points that I listed.

I didn't draw the same conclusion as you concerning the sanctioning of animal to human hierarchies. I merely concluded that; all efforts in equalization for humans...short of ... but including socialism, utopianism etc....will result in human imposed hierarchy. Big or small. Feel free to state any ideas of his that you may present a counter argument to. I do this as well.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

IQ testing was literally created and designed to legitimize the theory of white intellectual superiority

IIRC IQ testing is also dependent on knowing certain things rather than straight up intellectual capacity. The whole thing is a joke. And I say this as someone who scores high in IQ tests

 

[Kwabena]

*kisses teeth