Josh Hamilton meets with MLB about disciplinary issue about Drug Relapse

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the hypocrisy is sickening...gordon is a dumbass but hamilton is a guy with a disease :heh:

with that said, Ill reiterate that I have no sympathy for either of them. yes, I feel sorry for them as addicts, but there are thousands of addicts who cant make ends meet and who dont possess superstar talent. I feel sorry for THOSE people way more, because they also live shytty lives and cant afford a lot of things that would maybe help the addiction or alleviate it in some way

so fukk them both, if they cant follow rules set, they dont deserve to be playing. just cover their issues equally. stop being manipulative as fukk about it.
 

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Cacs up in this thread acting smug and incredulous as usual. Telling us media bias towards young rich black men don't exist and empathy for faces as pale as your own is a myth :camby:

Not just the white folks, I want the jason whitlocks and stephen a smiths of the world to go after and paint these young black athletes and whites that fukk up with the same brush and even half of the vitriol and indictments of the cultures that produced them
 
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Cacs up in this thread acting smug and incredulous as usual. Telling us media bias towards young rich black men don't exist and empathy for faces as pale as your own is a myth :camby:

Not just the white folks, I want the jason whitlocks and stephen a smiths of the world to go after and paint these young black athletes and whites that fukk up with the same brush and even half of the vitriol and indictments of the cultures that produced them

I really don't get it. Worst of all is the springboard they're jumping off of believing that we are saying Hamilton was never criticized wanting to believe they're speaking to idiots rather than admit that little balance is given to a black athlete with similar issues.

In here acting as if Josh Gordon wrote a letter which wrote off an empathy that didn't exist prior to it off. :childplease:
 
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Real drug addiction for Real Americans. Has a Sara-Palin-soundbite ring to it.
I've dealt with this in my very own family. My ex brother-in-law hasn't seen his 2 kids since they were infants - 15 years now. He was and continues to be a crackhead. My sister had to leave him after this came out because she knew he'd never live a normal life.

I've never been angry with him. I only feel bad for him because he has a brain disease and he's lost everything because of it.

I smoke herb for the fun of it. If i had to stop for my job, I most certainly would. Clear difference.

I'm sure this isn't news to you though. For some reason too many of you let your online agendas get in the way of whatever knowledge or education you might otherwise own.
 

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I've dealt with this in my very own family.

So have I. And with friends. And acquaintances. And I've observed it in nearly every social strata. And just like there are people who casually smoke weed and casually do cocaine, there are addicts of both. There's no agenda driving that absolute fact, it's simply what it is. There are social drinkers and there are drunks. There are potheads and there are people who get high once a month in a social setting. Some people use drugs to escape trauma, some do it to ease social anxiety, some are thrill-seekers, some are looking to take the edge off and de-stress.

I don't know what Josh Hamilton's "demons" are, just as you don't. I don't know if he's some grand story of suffering and redemption - which is how the media narrative, certainly buoyed by his PR people and their inclination to feel sympathy for those who look similar to them, paint him. I remember photos of him looking like a stereotypical douchebag in a bar who wants to see some t*ts and get goofy. It's possible those stories don't quite tell the whole story. Just as it's possible that photos and preconceived notions don't tell the whole story with any number of other players who use drugs - but that doesn't get in the way of people labeling them lazy, privileged, stupid etc. as if by reflex. And therein lies the double-standard.

I remember talking with this older white woman - well educated, big salary, generally a decent person - about jury duty. She recounted a case in Hartford, Connecticut she sat on, in which a man was accused of murdering a crackhead over a paltry sum of money. "It took up so much time, and after a while you just want to say 'hey, I don't have sympathy for either one of these pieces of shyt.'" And I felt both pity and scorn for her in that moment, because she couldn't see that the woman who'd been murdered was not a crackhead by choice, but most likely by the most horrific circumstances one can imagine. In Hartford fukking Connecticut? shyt. I had crack addicts and drunks in my family, and in my building, even next door to me growing up. They'd been abandoned by their parents in some cases, raped in others, lived lives of constant pain and poverty. And they don't deserve to be labeled blights; they don't deserve to have someone decide they deserved to die in the street in cold blood because they were poor and forgotten and didn't do the drug of sympathy or remind a white person of a cousin or friend. This woman who served on the jury had an alcoholic son who was in and out of colleges, in and out of rehab, and never held a job down. He was reckless, spoiled, a financial drain, and his main "demon" was a learning disability and some vague suburban angst. I noticed her tough love didn't apply to his loser ass.

Neither human empathy nor callous judgment should be dependent on the drug of choice, the color of a person's skin, how loudly or joyously the name "Jesus" is shouted, or how many profiles a person receives for the same old story. Period.
 

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So have I. And with friends. And acquaintances. And I've observed it in nearly every social strata. And just like there are people who casually smoke weed and casually do cocaine, there are addicts of both. There's no agenda driving that absolute fact, it's simply what it is. There are social drinkers and there are drunks. There are potheads and there are people who get high once a month in a social setting. Some people use drugs to escape trauma, some do it to ease social anxiety, some are thrill-seekers, some are looking to take the edge off and de-stress.

I don't know what Josh Hamilton's "demons" are, just as you don't. I don't know if he's some grand story of suffering and redemption - which is how the media narrative, certainly buoyed by his PR people and their inclination to feel sympathy for those who look similar to them, paint him. I remember photos of him looking like a stereotypical douchebag in a bar who wants to see some t*ts and get goofy. It's possible those stories don't quite tell the whole story. Just as it's possible that photos and preconceived notions don't tell the whole story with any number of other players who use drugs - but that doesn't get in the way of people labeling them lazy, privileged, stupid etc. as if by reflex. And therein lies the double-standard.

I remember talking with this older white woman - well educated, big salary, generally a decent person - about jury duty. She recounted a case in Hartford, Connecticut she sat on, in which a man was accused of murdering a crackhead over a paltry sum of money. "It took up so much time, and after a while you just want to say 'hey, I don't have sympathy for either one of these pieces of shyt.'" And I felt both pity and scorn for her in that moment, because she couldn't see that the woman who'd been murdered was not a crackhead by choice, but most likely by the most horrific circumstances one can imagine. In Hartford fukking Connecticut? shyt. I had crack addicts and drunks in my family, and in my building, even next door to me growing up. They'd been abandoned by their parents in some cases, raped in others, lived lives of constant pain and poverty. And they don't deserve to be labeled blights; they don't deserve to have someone decide they deserved to die in the street in cold blood because they were poor and forgotten and didn't do the drug of sympathy or remind a white person of a cousin or friend. This woman who served on the jury had an alcoholic son who was in and out of colleges, in and out of rehab, and never held a job down. He was reckless, spoiled, a financial drain, and his main "demon" was a learning disability and some vague suburban angst. I noticed her tough love didn't apply to his loser ass.

Neither human empathy nor callous judgment should be dependent on the drug of choice, the color of a person's skin, how loudly or joyously the name "Jesus" is shouted, or how many profiles a person receives for the same old story. Period.
I agree with all of this except that there are NOT addicts of weed. Sorry, just not the same as addictions to heroin or crack. It doesn't carry with it the physiological pains those other drugs inflict on the body.

If you lose your multi-million dollar job because you don't want to stop smoking herb, I have no sympathy for you. On the other hand there are the Taylor's, Gooden's, Strawberry's that come to mind - those who did risk it all and are still revered by their fans to this day. People who really know about this shyt know that addiction isn't a game.
 

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I agree with all of this except that there are NOT addicts of weed. Sorry, just not the same as addictions to heroin or crack. It doesn't carry with it the physiological pains those other drugs inflict on the body.

If you lose your multi-million dollar job because you don't want to stop smoking herb, I have no sympathy for you. On the other hand, the Taylor's, Gooden's, Strawberry's come to mind - those who did risk it all and are still revered by their fans to this day. People who really know about this shyt know that addiction isn't a game.
Gordon last suspension was due to alcohol
 
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