Pull Up the Roots
Talking? During horse head bookends?
I see why the GOP has such an easy time now.
Why is everything either communism or socialism with you people?
Judge took her kid because she wasn’t vaccinated
- Thread starter Biblical Goon
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Stop getting your news from dikkhead podcasters and go to the source of the story.
A judge asked a mother if she got the coronavirus vaccine. She said no, and he revoked custody of her son.
When Rebecca Firlit joined a virtual court hearing with her ex-husband earlier this month, the Chicago mother expected the proceedings to focus on child support.
But the judge had other plans.
“One of the first things he asked me … was whether or not I was vaccinated,” Firlit, 39, told the Chicago Sun-Times.
She was not, she said, explaining that she has had “adverse reactions to vaccines in the past” and that a doctor advised her against getting vaccinated against the coronavirus.
“It poses a risk,” she added.
Cook County Judge James Shapiro then made what the parents’ attorneys called an unprecedented decision: He said the mother could not see her 11-year-old son until she got a coronavirus vaccine.
The child’s father is vaccinated, the Sun-Times reported.
Firlit filed a petition to appeal the judge’s decision, her attorney Annette Fernholz told The Washington Post. In an interview with WFLD, Fernholz said the ruling was an overreach.
“The father did not even bring this issue before the court,” Fernholz said. “So it’s the judge on his own and making this decision that you can’t see your child until you’re vaccinated.”
Johns Hopkins University epidemiologist Gypsyamber D'Souza explains how the U.S. can reach coronavirus herd immunity and what happens if that goal is missed. (Brian Monroe, John Farrell/The Washington Post)
Judge offers an alternative to community service sentences: Coronavirus vaccination
Judges in other states have granted lesser sentences to defendants who opt to get vaccines, or mandated the vaccine as a condition of release from prison for some inmates. A judge in the 19th Judicial District Court in East Baton Rouge offered some defendants the option of getting vaccinated instead of completing community service hours.
Two judges in Ohio have also ordered that some people receive the vaccine as a condition of their probation. Similarly, two Georgia judges are reducing sentences for some offenders who get a vaccine. In New York, judges in the Bronx and Manhattan have ordered defendants to get a vaccine as part of their rehabilitation and as a condition for seeking bail, respectively.
But the judge’s ruling in Chicago appears to be the first of its kind. Firlit and her ex-husband, Matthew Duiven, have been divorced for seven years, according to WFLD. Court documents show they have had shared custody of their 11-year-old son since June 2014.
Neither Firlit nor Duiven immediately responded to The Washington Post’s request for comment late Sunday.
The hearing on Aug. 10 had nothing to do with revising the custody agreement, Firlit’s lawyer said, so no one was expecting the judge to ask the boy’s mother if she was vaccinated. Firlit said she was befuddled by the judge’s question.
“I was confused because it was just supposed to be about expenses and child support,” she told the Sun-Times. “I asked him what it had to do with the hearing, and he said, ‘I am the judge, and I make the decisions for your case.’ ”
The judge then revoked her custody of her son until she was fully vaccinated. Firlit did not indicate if she would get vaccinated, but she said she is trying to appeal the decision because she believes the judge overstepped his authority. She added that taking a son away from his mother is “wrong.”
“I think that it’s dividing families,” Firlit told WFLD. “And I think it’s not in my son’s best interest to be away from his mother.”
The father’s attorney, Jeffery M. Leving, who did not immediately respond to The Post’s request for comment late Sunday, said he was not expecting the judge to ask about vaccinations or change the custody arrangement. But he said he supported the judge’s decision.
“There are children who have died because of covid,” Leving said. “I think every child should be safe. And I agree that the mother should be vaccinated.”
A Calif. elementary school teacher took off her mask for a read-aloud. Within days, half her class was positive for delta.
Over the past few months, the number of children contracting the highly contagious delta variant has increased exponentially, according to the American Academy of Pediatrics. The American Academy of Family Physicians has also warned that there is an increasing risk of unvaccinated children sustaining “severe and long-lasting impacts” on their health.
Firlit said she is struggling with the separation from her son, whom she’s only allowed to communicate with over the phone.
“I talk to him every day,” she told the Sun-Times. “He cries, he misses me.”
A judge asked a mother if she got the coronavirus vaccine. She said no, and he revoked custody of her son.
When Rebecca Firlit joined a virtual court hearing with her ex-husband earlier this month, the Chicago mother expected the proceedings to focus on child support.
But the judge had other plans.
“One of the first things he asked me … was whether or not I was vaccinated,” Firlit, 39, told the Chicago Sun-Times.
She was not, she said, explaining that she has had “adverse reactions to vaccines in the past” and that a doctor advised her against getting vaccinated against the coronavirus.
“It poses a risk,” she added.
Cook County Judge James Shapiro then made what the parents’ attorneys called an unprecedented decision: He said the mother could not see her 11-year-old son until she got a coronavirus vaccine.
The child’s father is vaccinated, the Sun-Times reported.
Firlit filed a petition to appeal the judge’s decision, her attorney Annette Fernholz told The Washington Post. In an interview with WFLD, Fernholz said the ruling was an overreach.
“The father did not even bring this issue before the court,” Fernholz said. “So it’s the judge on his own and making this decision that you can’t see your child until you’re vaccinated.”
Johns Hopkins University epidemiologist Gypsyamber D'Souza explains how the U.S. can reach coronavirus herd immunity and what happens if that goal is missed. (Brian Monroe, John Farrell/The Washington Post)
Judge offers an alternative to community service sentences: Coronavirus vaccination
Judges in other states have granted lesser sentences to defendants who opt to get vaccines, or mandated the vaccine as a condition of release from prison for some inmates. A judge in the 19th Judicial District Court in East Baton Rouge offered some defendants the option of getting vaccinated instead of completing community service hours.
Two judges in Ohio have also ordered that some people receive the vaccine as a condition of their probation. Similarly, two Georgia judges are reducing sentences for some offenders who get a vaccine. In New York, judges in the Bronx and Manhattan have ordered defendants to get a vaccine as part of their rehabilitation and as a condition for seeking bail, respectively.
But the judge’s ruling in Chicago appears to be the first of its kind. Firlit and her ex-husband, Matthew Duiven, have been divorced for seven years, according to WFLD. Court documents show they have had shared custody of their 11-year-old son since June 2014.
Neither Firlit nor Duiven immediately responded to The Washington Post’s request for comment late Sunday.
The hearing on Aug. 10 had nothing to do with revising the custody agreement, Firlit’s lawyer said, so no one was expecting the judge to ask the boy’s mother if she was vaccinated. Firlit said she was befuddled by the judge’s question.
“I was confused because it was just supposed to be about expenses and child support,” she told the Sun-Times. “I asked him what it had to do with the hearing, and he said, ‘I am the judge, and I make the decisions for your case.’ ”
The judge then revoked her custody of her son until she was fully vaccinated. Firlit did not indicate if she would get vaccinated, but she said she is trying to appeal the decision because she believes the judge overstepped his authority. She added that taking a son away from his mother is “wrong.”
“I think that it’s dividing families,” Firlit told WFLD. “And I think it’s not in my son’s best interest to be away from his mother.”
The father’s attorney, Jeffery M. Leving, who did not immediately respond to The Post’s request for comment late Sunday, said he was not expecting the judge to ask about vaccinations or change the custody arrangement. But he said he supported the judge’s decision.
“There are children who have died because of covid,” Leving said. “I think every child should be safe. And I agree that the mother should be vaccinated.”
A Calif. elementary school teacher took off her mask for a read-aloud. Within days, half her class was positive for delta.
Over the past few months, the number of children contracting the highly contagious delta variant has increased exponentially, according to the American Academy of Pediatrics. The American Academy of Family Physicians has also warned that there is an increasing risk of unvaccinated children sustaining “severe and long-lasting impacts” on their health.
Firlit said she is struggling with the separation from her son, whom she’s only allowed to communicate with over the phone.
“I talk to him every day,” she told the Sun-Times. “He cries, he misses me.”
you hate science
Ozymandeas
Veteran
Y'all sounding like Nazis at this point
I can name a million things that sound good. Let's stop poor people from having kids while you at it
Bruhs went Auschwitz real quick
if she masked up and social distancing, I don't see a problem. awarding somebody custody because they are vaccinated seems ridiculous unless the child is considered high risk.
TheAnointedOne
Superstar
Why stop there? Why not seize their assets? (car, home, etc.) I'm guessing you're okay wit that?
RareHunter
All Star
Because in the U.S. ppl don’t just get to have their kids taken or imprisoned? If that’s what u like go somewhere where they will easily oblige?
Actually6Foot3
Veteran
will y'all stop saying this stupid shyt. The vast majority WILL NOT DIE from covid vaxxed or not. Under 50 is less than 5% of covid deaths.
Responses in threads like this show you we've come full circle. The far left pro vaccine crowd is just as insane as the far right anti vaxx crowd.
RareHunter
All Star
How? This comment is silly.
And if he gets caught smoking or doing anything, the same should be done to him. That’s how totalitarianism works.
Pull Up the Roots
Talking? During horse head bookends?
What U.S. are you living in? You still haven't explained how that's communism.
SheWantTheD
Veteran
If I had kids I wouldn't give them the covid vaccination either.
Their bodies are still developing and who knows how it can affect their brains or bodies.
They are still conducting trial tests on kids.
Judges be power tripping all the time.
Y'all realize the pharmaceutical corporations that create these vaccinations face no liability whatsoever? If you decide to sue or go after anyone, the government will have to pay not these corporations. What does that tell you?
Their bodies are still developing and who knows how it can affect their brains or bodies.
They are still conducting trial tests on kids.
Judges be power tripping all the time.
Y'all realize the pharmaceutical corporations that create these vaccinations face no liability whatsoever? If you decide to sue or go after anyone, the government will have to pay not these corporations. What does that tell you?
Biblical Goon
Banned
This is bullshyt. Did you somehow miss the anti-lockdown protests and the violence that spun outta that? What about the attempt to kidnap, try and execute the governor of Michigan? Did you all forget this was egged on by the president at the time?
COVID-19 anti-lockdown protests in the United States - Wikipedia
Now show me the violence and nastiness that measures up to this.
You’re posting this as if it’s a left and right issue. A lot of people who are unvaccinated aren’t antivax. And it should be noted that anti-vaccine is not exclusive to anti-lockdown. Trump is pro-vax so this post is some bullshyt.
Now what’s interesting is the vocal vaccinated folks (especially on this forum) are agreeing with extreme measures like genocidal solutions, taking children or slave labor like condition for unvaccinated people. I can go in every COVID thread on this forum and quote some pro-vax posters either agreeing with violence, genocide..etc or worse is threatening violence and wishing ill intent toward those who are not vaccinated.
RareHunter
All Star
You love authoritarian/totalitarianism and I’m sure you’d prefer communism as well.
Pull Up the Roots
Talking? During horse head bookends?
This don't make any sense. You just like saying shyt. You really are a deranged right-wing idiot.