"Just because Communisim LOST...doesn't mean Capitilisim WON..."

[MeachTheMonster]

Truth is the most successful countries have been able to find a balance between all the economic systems. No one system is the "winner"

We like to draw lines and pick sides but in reality the truth usualy lies somewhere in the gray area

 

[Type Username Here]

Truth is the most successful countries have been able to find a balance between all the economic systems. No one system is the "winner"

We like to draw lines and pick sides but in reality the truth usualy lies somewhere in the gray area

I'm only in here trying to defend Marxism as it is in it's strictly philosophical terms.

I'm much more in favor of a hybrid system, and you're right, every country is a mixture of some sort. I'm more more inclined to be for the stance of Social Democrats.

America is VERY socialist and communist in a lot of ways, except the money gets redistributed from the working class to the top. Giving trillion dollar bailouts is NOT true capitalism is any way, shape or form.

I'm FOR socialism that benefits the working poor and middle class, I'm not for socialism that benefits the wealthy.

 

[Chris.B]

Truth is the most successful countries have been able to find a balance between all the economic systems. No one system is the "winner"

We like to draw lines and pick sides but in reality the truth usualy lies somewhere in the gray area

No communism has been proven to be a failure. There is no way you can have everyone have the same level of wealth.

In China the millionaires are living it up What happened to the common good :obama3:

Human nature will always prevail....which is if I work for something, it's mine!

 

[Type Username Here]

I'm not sure how any of that makes it a competition, with a "winner" and a "loser"

I mean:

Cold War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Domino theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Red Scare - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
McCarthyism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Berlin Blockade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Bay of Pigs Invasion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Seems like a competition of ideologies to me.


[/QUOTE]has there ever been a "true capitalist state"?[/QUOTE]

No, see my quick reply to Meach above.

 

[daze23]

it is impossible to have a pure 100% of everything but the US is pretty close to about 80% capitalism.

In communist countries the leaders live better than the people...so that system is not 100% pure either

seems kinda hard to have a 'competition' between 2 things that don't even really exist

 

[Chris.B]

seems kinda hard to have a 'competition' between 2 things that don't even really exist

 

[daze23]

I mean:

Cold War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Domino theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Red Scare - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
McCarthyism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Berlin Blockade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Bay of Pigs Invasion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Seems like a competition of ideologies to me.

a competition between superpowers, that both tried to frame it around ideologies that were ultimately compromised. I mean both sides made a lot of raw raw, but here we are with a 'hybrid system'. a 'hybrid system' that seems to have a dubious claim to sustainability btw. and of course each 'side' will continue to blame the other for that...

 

[throughthefire]

the eurosocialists aren't doing to well.

And the ultimate wilsonist Nation (china) has seriously fukked up because of the state-run companies and government operated business ventures.


seems like all the "in-between" or "comprise" economies have lost too. the kings on the block are the ultra capitalist nations of Singapore, New Zealand and the like. Capitalism won again.

what? most of the countries going bellie under were are governed by their centre right constituents

 

[theworldismine13]

You didn't know of the Soviet government coup of 1991?

the collapse of the soviet union and the 90's was evidence that communism doesnt work, i still dont get what your point is

do you even know what was happening in the soviet union in 1991? it was bigger than a coup, if you want to call it that

 

[the next guy]

what? most of the countries going bellie under were are governed by their centre right constituents

Only partially true. The population was not willing to pay for the consequences of their lifestyle. Look at Greece. Those people nap in the middle of the work day.

the collapse of the soviet union and the 90's was evidence that communism doesnt work, i still dont get what your point is

do you even know what was happening in the soviet union in 1991? it was bigger than a coup, if you want to call it that

Do you even know? The point was the Soviet Union failed because of people's thirst for power, along with the communistic system failing because they did not adhere to the true principles. Do you think the US is pure capitalism? Because the Soviet Union was not pure communism. At all.

Why do you pretend like everyone else speaking gibberish? This is not hard to understand.

 

[the next guy]

a competition between superpowers, that both tried to frame it around ideologies that were ultimately compromised. I mean both sides made a lot of raw raw, but here we are with a 'hybrid system'. a 'hybrid system' that seems to have a dubious claim to sustainability btw. and of course each 'side' will continue to blame the other for that...

I have no idea why people don't get this. There are at least still some partial communist regimes and partial capitalist regimes today.


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The United States is a mixed economy and so is most of the west.

 

[Type Username Here]

a competition between superpowers, that both tried to frame it around ideologies that were ultimately compromised. I mean both sides made a lot of raw raw, but here we are with a 'hybrid system'. a 'hybrid system' that seems to have a dubious claim to sustainability btw. and of course each 'side' will continue to blame the other for that...

Can you tell me what superpowers have to do with the Red Scare? That was a domestic issue through and through. The only foreign aspect was the clamoring for t the ideology.

 

[theworldismine13]

Do you even know? The point was the Soviet Union failed because of people's thirst for power, along with the communistic system failing because they did not adhere to the true principles. Do you think the US is pure capitalism? Because the Soviet Union was not pure communism. At all.

Why do you pretend like everyone else speaking gibberish? This is not hard to understand.

the soviet union failed because they couldnt compete with the US, it has nothing to do with greed, if anything the americans were more greedy than the soviets

if it was about greed how do you explain the us and the rest of western europe not collapsing? are you saying the west is less greedy then communist countries?

you will have to define "pure capitalism"

when i say the us is capitalistic, im saying the us economy is based on private property and a market economy

 

[the next guy]

the soviet union failed because they couldnt compete with the US, it has nothing to do with greed, if anything the americans were more greedy than the soviets

if it was about greed how do you explain the us and the rest of western europe not collapsing? are you saying the west is less greedy then communist countries?

you will have to define "pure capitalism"

when i say the us is capitalistic, im saying the us economy is based on private property and a market economy

The soviet union collapsed because of internal politics. The US survived because of bailouts. "Too big to fail?" And right now western Europe is about to double dip. Western Europe has some very socialist tendencies in the economic system. Not pure capitalism.

When I say pure capitalism, I mean no welfare. The market handles 100 percent of the economy. No safety net. For people or companies.

 

[Type Username Here]

On a side note about Socialism in America and the Red Scare:

Y'all have to understand something, the Wealthy Interests in the United States seized upon the Bolshevik Revolution and Anti-Immigration rhetoric to undermine the Socialist movement in the United States in the 1910s/ Early 20s. The Socialist candidate (Debs) received 6% of the vote in 1912, and Benson and Debs received 3% in 1916, 1920 respectively (as well as taking two congressional seats). Sensing the result in 1912 and then the Bolshevik Revolution, the capitalized to push an Anti-Immigration agenda and the Red Scare was born.

They just threw people in jail for believing in Socialist/Marxist ideals, including Debs who got a 10 year sentence and went to prison for giving an anti-WWI speech.

This unchecked period, where these Wealthy Interests went free and pissed on worker's rights and regulation, directly contributed to the Crash in 1929.

Sounds familiar to me.