"Just because Communisim LOST...doesn't mean Capitilisim WON..."

[theworldismine13]

You're still missing the point. A discussion at that level of generality is impossible. You're getting a little more specific, but ultimately, you have to start even lower to the ground.

im not missing your point, im rejecting it

if you want to make it a generic question of left vs right, which is what others are doing then you should do that

 

[Chris.B]

Guess what? I'm wrong. Greeks actually work MORE than most of the OECD countries, including the US

Average annual hours actually worked per worker

As you can see for yourself, some of Europe's top economies (Germany, France, Austria, Netherlands, UK, Luxemburg, Belgium) are countries where the average annual hours worked are the lowest

none of those economies can light a candle to the US economy

 

[mbewane]

none of those economies can light a candle to the US economy

Keep moving goal posts breh...and we don't care about your economy, we're busy enjoying fine wine over here

 

[PikaDaDon]

Keep moving goal posts breh...and we don't care about your economy, we're busy enjoying fine wine over here

Sure you are:

Thousands of French Households Taxed 100% - Yahoo! Finance

French 100% Tax Bill Implemented on Some Households

 

[the next guy]

Sure you are:

Thousands of French Households Taxed 100% - Yahoo! Finance

French 100% Tax Bill Implemented on Some Households

I guess you will post all the sadness going around throughout the midwest here in america, to be fair.

 

[mbewane]

Sure you are:

Thousands of French Households Taxed 100% - Yahoo! Finance

French 100% Tax Bill Implemented on Some Households

I toast to them everyday breh

Tell me more about the booming economy in Detroit

 

[Chris.B]

I toast to them everyday breh

Tell me more about the booming economy in Detroit

Why does it matter what goes on in Detroit?
Detroit is part of America.

American economy >>>> économie français :obama3:

 

[mbewane]

Why does it matter what goes on in Detroit?
Detroit is part of America.

American economy >>>> économie françaisE :obama3:

Question d'assurer un peu niveau grammaire quand même

So how did the American economy solve Detroit's problems?

 

[Chris.B]

Question d'assurer un peu niveau grammaire quand même

So how did the American economy solve Detroit's problems?

Detroit is a small section of the American economy, we can base capitalism of detroit.

May we should look at New York's economy.

Je parle un peu français

 

[mbewane]

Detroit is a small section of the American economy, we can base capitalism of detroit.

May we should look at New York's economy.

Do you mean "we can" or "we can't"

Sounds like a cop-out on some "Oh don't look at Detroit, everything's lovely elsewhere"

 

[Chris.B]

Do you mean "we can" or "we can't"

Sounds like a cop-out on some "Oh don't look at Detroit, everything's lovely elsewhere"

"we can't"...typing on droid phones is tough breh

US economy is too big to base it off one city's struggle.
Chinese found out communism doesn't work a long time ago.


The Millionaires over there are riding around in the latest Ferrari.

China is communism in name only

 

[mbewane]

"we can't"...typing on droid phones is tough breh

US economy is too big to base it off one city's struggle.
Chinese found out communism doesn't work a long time ago.


The Millionaires over there are riding around in the latest Ferrari.

China is communism in name only

Who ever mentionned China nvm

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

 

[Nascimento]

You've made great points in here, but I wanted to make special note of this, due to how prescient it is (and not just in the American sense either. As a matter of fact, it probably applies more to places like London and Singapore more than the US, if at all possible).

I actually deleted a Baudrilard quote that addressed this exact issue in more abstract terms from my first post. It stated (heavily parsed and manipulated by myself):

"Are we still in a capitalist mode...perhaps we are really already within a socialist mode? Perhaps this metamorphosis of capital...is merely its socialist outcome."

Given the transformation of making money over the last 30 plus years, where value can literally be produced more or less out of thin air or stock market perception then distributed wherever those who have the ability to manipulate that capital see fit for it to go, even within the sight of the media, which is historically supposed to be the equalizer for the less elite, speaks to this point.

The capital is socialized within that circle in the form of accumulated wealth, and you could say that it is socialized within the rest of society in the form of media, objects bought and sold, and perceptions about wealth and its affects on an individual's quality of life.

You may not have been thinking of all of this, but it's a very good point in and of itself.

I'm not familiar with this guy Baudrillard so I read the wikipage on him. This is partly what I was referring to in my first post, that people get caught up in abstractions and ideals instead of talking about real shyt. Or, as in the case of these intellectuals (postmodernist, structuralist, whichever label applies), often descending into the nether realms of philosophy.

Baudrillard seems to be much like reading Foucalt, Zizek etc which is a chore. The writing is so convoluted and obtuse it becomes hard to glean any substantive meaning from it, regardless whether their ideas have merit. And when Baudrillard ventures into the real world, as we can see in the political commentary section it amounts to little more than useless gibberish. Maybe I'm just dense

I'm a simple man. I prefer to base my thinking and writing in history and fact, keep it grounded in reality. I like Orwell. These navel-gazing ivory-tower-dwelling dweebs needed to take lessons from his article "Politics and the English Language". Clear thought is a requisite for clear writing.

Now, it is clear that the decline of a language must ultimately have political and economic causes: it is not due simply to the bad influence of this or that individual writer. But an effect can become a cause, reinforcing the original cause and producing the same effect in an intensified form, and so on indefinitely. A man may take to drink because he feels himself to be a failure, and then fail all the more completely because he drinks. It is rather the same thing that is happening to the English language. It becomes ugly and inaccurate because our thoughts are foolish, but the slovenliness of our language makes it easier for us to have foolish thoughts. The point is that the process is reversible. Modern English, especially written English, is full of bad habits which spread by imitation and which can be avoided if one is willing to take the necessary trouble. If one gets rid of these habits one can think more clearly, and to think clearly is a necessary first step toward political regeneration: so that the fight against bad English is not frivolous and is not the exclusive concern of professional writers.

 

[Nascimento]

Funny comic that brings up a point I should have made more clearly, and to sum it up in a sentence: Bill Gates cannot earn that much with the might of his own labor. He can only acquire that much by confiscating the labor of others.