Just so we're clear on what and who the Moors are

[Cadillac]

nikkas mad that the Moors were Black Muslims. That's the only reason you hoteps are acting out against them. So amusing.

Word, I'm just now reading this thread. And some of these same nikkas r the same ones to bash Muslim brehs and islam

Plus u got the anti-religion or anti- Abhramic religion group prolly here

 

[mykey]

There would have been no Atlantic slave trade or for that matter Arab slave trade without the Africans. I don't know why people will not accept that basic fact. It is a historical fact. It was acknowledged by the Europeans; the slaves that were captured and by the African Kingdoms themselves like Dahomey and the Ashanti, etc.

There were millions of people captured and shipped out. Most of the people captured were from inland communities that White people didn't know anything about, because White people didn't have maps or know the terrain. So obviously these had to be large scale military operations by the Africans and they did it for hundreds of years; at first with the the Portuguese and later with the English, Dutch and the French. All of those Europeans had treaties and business deals with the Africans.

None of this suggests that Europeans and Africans should bear equal responsibility for the enormous tragedy of trans-Atlantic slavery. Colonialism converted a small-scale, family-centered practice into a hellish global network for the transport, sale, and exploitation of human beings. Africans collaborated in the new system, to be sure, but they didn’t create or control it. White people did.

 

[Dzali OG]

The Eastern Roman empire hated Islam wtf you talking about?

The same way republicans hate democrats.

 

[MR. SNIFLES]

What you talking about? Do you know people were already enslaved before the transatlantic slave trade right?

MOST DON'T KNOW THAT THE TRANSATLANTIC SLAVE DIDN'T ENVOLVE THE USA UNTIL 150ISH YEARS AFTER IT STARTED. SOUTH AMERICA WAS THE PRIMARY DESTINATION FOR SLAVES UNTIL A SLAVE SHIP WAS CAPTURED BY THE BRITISH. THEY TOOK THE SLAVES TO THE NEAREST PORT AND SOLD THEM. THEY MADE SO MUCH MONEY THAT THE QUEEN GAVE THE CAPTAIN ON OF THE BEST SHIPS FROM THE ROYAL FLEET TO GET MORE SLAVES. THAT IS WHAT BROUGHT THE SLAVE TRADE TO AMERICA IN MASS NUMBERS.

 

[Grano-Grano]

The same way republicans hate democrats.

 

[Samori Toure]

None of this suggests that Europeans and Africans should bear equal responsibility for the enormous tragedy of trans-Atlantic slavery. Colonialism converted a small-scale, family-centered practice into a hellish global network for the transport, sale, and exploitation of human beings. Africans collaborated in the new system, to be sure, but they didn’t create or control it. White people did.

You are getting really close to being a Trans-Atlantic slavery denier. Just like there are Holocaust deniers there are deniers of other historical events. You know that you are on your way to denying the events, because you keep trying to minimize the conduct of Africans in the trade.

First of all i agree with you that the Europeans and Africans should not bear equal responsibility for the enormous tragedy of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. The Africans should actually bear more responsibility, because the Europeans could not have carried on that trade without Africans. It was the Africans that captured other Africans and took them to the slave markets where the Europeans purchased them. There were whole Kingdoms in Africa, like Dahomey, that were built off of the slave trade. I don't know why you will not accept basic facts. It probably hurts you to have to do it, but denying it doesn't mean that it didn't happen.

Another thing that you keep doing is conflating the Trans-Atlantic slave trade with Colonialism. The Trans-Atlantic slave trade occurred from roughly 1500-1835. Colonialism didn't occur until the 1880's. Colonialism only happened because the Africans themselves had depleted the men in their Kingdoms due to constant warfare and slavery. So Europeans didn't gain control of those African Kingdoms until the 1880's. Before that period the Africans controlled their own Kingdoms. I haven't seen many people but you that seem to think otherwise.

 

[mykey]

You are getting really close to being a Trans-Atlantic slavery denier. Just like there are Holocaust deniers there are deniers of other historical events. You know that you are on your way to denying the events, because you keep trying to minimize the conduct of Africans in the trade.

First of all i agree with you that the Europeans and Africans should not bear equal responsibility for the enormous tragedy of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. The Africans should actually bear more responsibility, because the Europeans could not have carried on that trade without Africans. It was the Africans that captured other Africans and took them to the slave markets where the Europeans purchased them. There were whole Kingdoms in Africa, like Dahomey, that were built off of the slave trade. I don't know why you will not accept basic facts. It probably hurts you to have to do it, but denying it doesn't mean that it didn't happen.

Another thing that you keep doing is conflating the Trans-Atlantic slave trade with Colonialism. The Trans-Atlantic slave trade occurred from roughly 1500-1835. Colonialism didn't occur until the 1880's. Colonialism only happened because the Africans themselves had depleted the men in their Kingdoms due to constant warfare and slavery. So Europeans didn't gain control of those African Kingdoms until the 1880's. Before that period the Africans controlled their own Kingdoms. I haven't seen many people but you that seem to think otherwise.

That's like saying the low life hustler selling drugs on the street is responsible for global drug trafficking. Stupid, self defeatist logic.

 

[mykey]

Colonialism only happened because the Africans themselves had depleted the men in their Kingdoms due to constant warfare and slavery. So Europeans didn't gain control of those African Kingdoms until the 1880's.

Classic "blame the victim" nonsense. So now Africans are responsible for colonialism,are they? I bet they're responsible for Jim Crow, lynchings, human zoos and Apartheid as well. Why not throw in WWII and the Holocaust too?

The truth is white people are a brutal, savage race. They didn't "gain control" of colonies, they invaded and wiped out the ingenious people. It's even a wonder Africans survived. The Aborigines, Maoris and Native Americans are nearly extinct.

Your stupid attempt to sanitise European brutality will not wash here. Try Reddit or maybe st0rmfr0nt.

 

[Samori Toure]

Classic "blame the victim" nonsense. So now Africans are responsible for colonialism,are they? I bet they're responsible for Jim Crow, lynchings, human zoos and Apartheid as well. Why not throw in WWII and the Holocaust too?

The truth is white people are a brutal, savage race. They didn't "gain control" of colonies, they invaded and wiped out the ingenious people. It's even a wonder Africans survived. The Aborigines, Maoris and Native Americans are nearly extinct.

Your stupid attempt to sanitise European brutality will not wash here. Try Reddit or maybe st0rmfr0nt.

There were African tribes that helped the White man subdue other African tribes during colonialism. You are so ignorant that you think that I am sanitizing the Europeans for their role in slavery and colonialism. I am not. I just refuse to sanitize Africans for their role in slavery and colonialism. Africans were active collaborators in all of the events. You are trying to making Africans sounds powerless like they were just victims of circumstances, which runs completely counter to the historical record. African leaders are collaborating right now with the White man to keep Africans from advancing right now.

You Hotep nikka are ignorant man.

 

[mykey]

There were African tribes that helped the White man subdue other African tribes during colonialism. You are so ignorant that you think that I am sanitizing the Europeans for their role in slavery and colonialism. I am not. I just refuse to sanitize Africans for their role in slavery and colonialism. Africans were active collaborators in all of the events. You are trying to making Africans sounds powerless like they were just victims of circumstances, which runs completely counter to the historical record. African leaders are collaborating right now with the White man to keep Africans from advancing right now.

You Hotep nikka are ignorant man.

Wrong. Africans were active resistors to colonialism and apartheid. Hence the reason why Europeans didn’t turn the entire continent into another Australia.


https://tavaana.org/en/content/struggle-ground-anti-apartheid-movement-south-africa

Your revisionist nonsense won’t work here. I suggest you try the many white supremacy websites that abound.

 

[Absalom's Thought]

@Bonk @Diasporan Royalty the discussion was interesting and informative, until it wasn't... damn brehs...

 

[mykey]

So then when did white supremacy come about?

During Medieval times, the concept of racism based on skin colour was unknown. The Romans had considered Germans, Gauls (French) and Britons as barbaric and primitive. Slavery in Ancient Rome | UNRV.com

When Northern Europe was undergoing its "dark ages", the cities were filthy and disease ridden. The people were extremely poor and superstitious. At the time, there were universities and fine cities in China, India, the Arab world and Africa.

Map of Mombasa, Kenya (15th Century AD)

At that time, there were African saints, ambassadors, business people, and they even entered into the ranks of the nobility. These were known as "Moors"....a Latin term for "dark skinned person"

St Maurice of the Theban Legion, ca. 1245

Saint Gregory the Moor 1683 AD

Saint Benedict the Moor

Don Miguel De Castro, Ambassador from Kongo Kingdom to the Netherlands

Abram Petrovich Gannibal, Russian General and nobleman (1696-1781)

Dorothea of Denmark (1 August 1504 – 11 April 1547), was a duchess of Prussia by marriage to Duke Albert of Prussia

Alessandro de' Medici (22 June 1510 – 6 January 1537) called "il Moro" ("the Moor"), was ruler of Florence from 1531 until 1537.

Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz (Sophia Charlotte; 19 May 1744 – 17 November 1818) was by marriage to King George III the Queen of Great Britain and Ireland.

Later, around the time of the Reconquista and the Industrial Revolution, the tables turned. Europeans gained the power that came with trade and conquest. They brutally colonised and plundered the Americas, Australia, New Zealand, Asia and Africa.

Mass slave trade for free labour began. They set out to defend slavery and assembled a vast arsenal of new claims about black people, which they then codified, refined and disseminated through books, pamphlets, cartoons and speeches. Racist ideas were aimed at Africans in their home continent, as well as at those in bondage in the New World

As the slave trade developed, Europeans created a racist ideology which could be used to justify the trade. Africans were thought to be sub-human, uncivilised, and inferior to Europeans in every way. And as they were ‘not one of us’, they could be bought and sold. The development of racism is linked to the slave trade. The slave trade could not have continued without this ideology to justify it. Racism cannot be ignored in any study of the slave trade.

Racism began to be ‘proved’ with fake "science". Philosophers like David Hume could state that Africans were ‘naturally inferior to the whites’. It was widely believed that Africans and Europeans had developed separately. Many, like Sir Thomas Herbert, writing in 1634, believed that Africans must be descended from apes and were part of a separate and inferior race.

In the 19th century, racist ideologies were strengthened by fake sciences such as phrenology. It was believed that the shape of the skull reflected the character of the person. Phrenologists applied their theory to African skulls and classified all Africans as inferior to white races intellectually, culturally and morally. “The Negro in general is a born slave” wrote Sir Harry Johnston, a British colonial administrator in Africa in the 1890s.

Anthropologists concluded that the African was inferior to the white man, a separate species more closely related to apes than to whites.

These ‘scientific’ theories of the inferiority of the African were generally accepted by the British public. Racism was taken for granted.

That propaganda campaign, and the institution of European mass slavery were to last for 400 years.

 

[GhettoTeK]

During Medieval times, the concept of racism based on skin colour was unknown. The Romans had considered Germans, Gauls (French) and Britons as barbaric and primitive. Slavery in Ancient Rome | UNRV.com

When Northern Europe was undergoing its "dark ages", the cities were filthy and disease ridden. The people were extremely poor and superstitious. At the time, there were universities and fine cities in China, India, the Arab world and Africa.

Map of Mombasa, Kenya (15th Century AD)

At that time, there were African saints, ambassadors, business people, and they even entered into the ranks of the nobility. These were known as "Moors"....a Latin term for "dark skinned person"

St Maurice of the Theban Legion, ca. 1245

Saint Gregory the Moor 1683 AD

Saint Benedict the Moor

Don Miguel De Castro, Ambassador from Kongo Kingdom to the Netherlands

Abram Petrovich Gannibal, Russian General and nobleman (1696-1781)

Dorothea of Denmark (1 August 1504 – 11 April 1547), was a duchess of Prussia by marriage to Duke Albert of Prussia

Alessandro de' Medici (22 June 1510 – 6 January 1537) called "il Moro" ("the Moor"), was ruler of Florence from 1531 until 1537.

Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz (Sophia Charlotte; 19 May 1744 – 17 November 1818) was by marriage to King George III the Queen of Great Britain and Ireland.

Later, around the time of the Reconquista and the Industrial Revolution, the tables turned. Europeans gained the power that came with trade and conquest. They brutally colonised and plundered the Americas, Australia, New Zealand, Asia and Africa.

Mass slave trade for free labour began. They set out to defend slavery and assembled a vast arsenal of new claims about black people, which they then codified, refined and disseminated through books, pamphlets, cartoons and speeches. Racist ideas were aimed at Africans in their home continent, as well as at those in bondage in the New World

As the slave trade developed, Europeans created a racist ideology which could be used to justify the trade. Africans were thought to be sub-human, uncivilised, and inferior to Europeans in every way. And as they were ‘not one of us’, they could be bought and sold. The development of racism is linked to the slave trade. The slave trade could not have continued without this ideology to justify it. Racism cannot be ignored in any study of the slave trade.

Racism began to be ‘proved’ with fake "science". Philosophers like David Hume could state that Africans were ‘naturally inferior to the whites’. It was widely believed that Africans and Europeans had developed separately. Many, like Sir Thomas Herbert, writing in 1634, believed that Africans must be descended from apes and were part of a separate and inferior race.

In the 19th century, racist ideologies were strengthened by fake sciences such as phrenology. It was believed that the shape of the skull reflected the character of the person. Phrenologists applied their theory to African skulls and classified all Africans as inferior to white races intellectually, culturally and morally. “The Negro in general is a born slave” wrote Sir Harry Johnston, a British colonial administrator in Africa in the 1890s.

Anthropology, the study of mankind, looked at such things as the size of the brain and the physical appearance of people. Again, anthropologists could conclude that the African was inferior to the white man, a separate species more closely related to apes than to whites.

These ‘scientific’ theories of the inferiority of the African were generally accepted by the British public. Racism was taken for granted.

That propaganda campaign, and the institution of European mass slavery were to last for 400 years.

As for the moors? They didn't step in? Better yet can you give me a reference to look this up?

 

[mykey]

As for the moors? They didn't step in? Better yet can you give me a reference to look this up?

"Moor"' was a catch all phrase for "dark skinned" from the Latin word "Maurus" Maurus - Wiktionary

There were no specific people known as
" Moors".

As for the links:
Racist ideas | Black and white in Britain | The wider world | After Slavery | Bristol and Transatlantic Slavery | PortCities Bristol

The Critique – The Roots Of Modern Racism

How American oligarchs created the concept of race to divide and conquer the poor

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....ee/2015/sep/08/european-racism-africa-slavery

 

[satam55]

I'm 3 episodes into Showtime's "The Borgias". The show, so far, takes place in 1492 & the 3rd episode I'm watching right now is titled "The Moor".




Why do they keep calling The Moors, "Murranos" or "Spanish Jews"? Also 1 of the Cardinals referred to a "Murrano" as a "White Moor" in the 1st episode.



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