case in point
Kanye brings out Lauryn Hill performs All Falls Down :Noah:
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this is how trump supporters justify trump and still ride for him. You're in a cult
I guess I am in a cult. So what? I told you I don't care if he wants every black man alive dead I will listen to him feeling no conflict or remorse. He could strangle a baby to death and doesn't impact me so I don't care still bumping his music if I like it.this is how trump supporters justify trump and still ride for him. You're in a cult
nothing more needs to be said. enjoy your day
No drug dealers and gun smugglers????
Them too. People who take pride and brag about selling poison to their own people like its a badge of honor. A lot of yall saw R. Kelly's sex tape and still listened to him for years though he was on camera sexing a child.
I can't believe we have some hear contrasting a mentally ill musician having wild outburst to the leader of the free world being a deranged maniac. We've been watching this man unravel ever since he got on stage and interrupted Taylor Swift. It's not just his Nazi rants and songs I don't take seriously it's most of his public behavior. The guy at times has walked around with a mask like sheet over his head. He's out there and has been for a long time.
Rayzah
I'm Everywhere you ain't never there
I don’t think those two belong in the same conversation at all.
Diddy is being accused of actual harm to people, financial exploitation, abuse, and coercion. That’s behavior with real victims and long-term consequences.
Kanye, on the other hand, is mostly dealing with speech and public behavior, saying wild, offensive, or controversial things, and clearly going through episodes at times. You can criticize that all day, but it’s not the same category as systematically hurting people behind the scenes.
People keep trying to group them under “canceled celebrities,” but that flattens everything into one bucket when it shouldn’t. Not all controversy is equal.
One is about what someone did to people.
The other is about what someone said and how they act publicly.
Those aren’t interchangeable
You can listen to whatever you want; that’s not the issue. But this idea that working with other producers somehow makes Kanye or Dre “frauds” is just lazy.you can listen to whatever you want, but you dont have to take time out of your day to defend kanye west on the internet
i still think thoia thoing is funny and turn that shyt up in the car, but im not gonna get on the coli and carry his piss bottle
kanyes first 2 records gotta be the most overrated records ever made at this point. solid 8.5/10 but treated like 30/10 lol. i wonder about people who love him who started at Yeezus. i havent liked anything hes done since MDBTF, and he had like 200 producers holding his hand on that shyt.
you know why the old ye is dead? because all the people who helped him push the buttons and import the files dont want anything to do with him anymore for the most part. he still has mike dean somehow. more people should read production credits. kanye barely did anything on his 'masterworks'. id love to hear from No ID about this lol
of course i could say the same thing about dr dre
That’s how music is made at the highest level. Collaboration isn’t a secret—it’s the standard.
Kanye wasn’t some industry plant that labels randomly decided to prop up. Early Kanye was a risk. He didn’t fit the image; he wasn’t a street rapper, and labels weren’t lining up to make him a star. He built that off his sound and vision, not because people were “holding his hand.”
Same with Dre. You don’t accidentally become the driving force behind multiple eras, N.W.A, Death Row, Aftermath, if you’re just some guy getting carried. At some point, people have to admit that leadership, direction, and ear matter just as much as pressing buttons.
People act as if an artist didn’t sit there and make every sound themselves; it doesn’t count. By that logic, most classic albums wouldn’t exist.
Credits don’t expose frauds, they show how the process actually works.
jilla82
Veteran
Must be hard to hate someone so talented...
I low key feel bad for yall Ye haters...
gotta force yourselves to dislike everything he does
Super talented artist have historically been odd.
In the age of Tv/Internet that has slowly eroded...
people that chase clout and fame are now who are at the forefront of popular culture.
People that put fame/money over art care more about public perception...so they mold their public persona to whatever is socially acceptable for the crowd they target.
Kanye is special because he's both...
he's a strange artist that also craves attention and knows how to play the game.
People arent used to that.
Folks hated MJ while he was alive too.
Price would be hated.
Miles Davis would be called a c00n
I could go on and on with examples of greats that would not be able to create in this environment.
I low key feel bad for yall Ye haters...
gotta force yourselves to dislike everything he does
Super talented artist have historically been odd.
In the age of Tv/Internet that has slowly eroded...
people that chase clout and fame are now who are at the forefront of popular culture.
People that put fame/money over art care more about public perception...so they mold their public persona to whatever is socially acceptable for the crowd they target.
Kanye is special because he's both...
he's a strange artist that also craves attention and knows how to play the game.
People arent used to that.
Folks hated MJ while he was alive too.
Price would be hated.
Miles Davis would be called a c00n
I could go on and on with examples of greats that would not be able to create in this environment.
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Rayzah
I'm Everywhere you ain't never there
Exactly why we drawing the moral line with race stuff
Bragging bout pimping selling drugs robbing people being a scammer to your own people is just as bad as anything Kanye has said in my opinion it’s worse way worse.
We ok with Meghan the stallion and all these goes rapping about being hoes but we hate Nicki for pandering to trump. It’s inconsistent
His catalog is more of a Kanye catalog than a Hip-Hop catalog. It derives from Hip-Hop and utilizes Hip-Hop elements and there is pure Hip-Hop among it but he has largely transcended the genre into his own thing
Yes he raps … but is this Hip-Hop
MoshpitMazi
Moshpit Gxng/ Anti Fash
Who cares it’s Ye
Knucklehead
HMFIC
So Fridays show grossed 18 million dollars most ever for a hip-hop show.
Kanye will always be a loved figure for his first 5 or so albums. It doesn't matter how sick he becomes.
