Kasius Ohno (Chris Hero) about to get them 'deavors?

[trick]

Yeah, I know. Their TLC match was godawful too. Only highlight of that shyt was when Punk piledrived Nadia Nyce through a table.

Only reason we thought those matches were good back in the day was because our standards of independent wrestling weren't that high. Now this stuff doesn't hold up well when you watch it years later. Shame.

I tried watching some CZW stuff and those RVD vs Lynn matches a few days ago and they did not hold up well at all either

 

[Scottie Drippin]

Yeah, I know. Their TLC match was godawful too. Only highlight of that shyt was when Punk piledrived Nadia Nyce through a table.

Only reason we thought those matches were good back in the day was because our standards of independent wrestling weren't that high. Now this stuff doesn't hold up well when you watch it years later. Shame.

Honestly breh, even on first watch those matches annoyed me. It came off as try-hard and cut-rate. So much of it is so clearly pointless.

In general, that short period of time between ECW and ROH features a LOT of guys who would eventually figure it out getting WAY too into themselves and producing some bullshyt. AJ Styles has some real face palmers to his credit in NWA: Wildside from this time period.

One of my friends described one of their matches the best.

"So Hero had Punk in this weird ass hold that clearly wasn't going to end the match. So I got up, made a sandwhich, and when I came back I was semi-sure Hero had Punk in a SLIGHTLY different but still wholly similar hold, but it didn't matter."

 

[Jmare007]

Those Hero vs Punk matches are indy wrestling at it's worst but at the time were pimped because they were completely different to what you were watching on TV and that style wasn't as stale as it is today.

Yeah, Hero made HUGE improvements just to get where he is now his last few years in the indies, but he does need to get in better shape. Atleast CM Punk. The WWE is not going to have a tall gangly mawfukka knocking out their midcarders.

He needs to take a hint and go on a 'roid cycle

It's weird, before WWE contacted him he was hitting the gym hard

But little before he was offered a contract he started gaining weight again and hasn't improved since. I mean, look at this

Maybe he was taking steroids and had to cut back?

 

[Makai Club]

I tried watching some CZW stuff and those RVD vs Lynn matches a few days ago and they did not hold up well at all either

Definitely me when I rewatched the Punk/Joe trilogy.

 

[Jmare007]

They had those matches before Punk became a bootleg KENTA and before Hero became White Misawa. It's a million minutes of fukking arm drags and Hero doing every single contrived lucha sequence he'd ever seen in a CMLL compilation tape.

I know what you are trying to say (elbows and strikes) but Chris Hero and the Greatest in ring performer of All Time don't belong in the same sentence. Hero can't have a Misawa comeback even when trying to eat his 7th cheeseburger

 

[MenacingMonk]

Hero needs new gear. He should go back to the Indy gear.

 

[Scottie Drippin]

Definitely me when I rewatched the Punk/Joe trilogy.

Those are matches you have to put in context. Funny that it's RVD/Lynn and Joe/Punk that you guys brought it as they're both huge examples of story/context making something great.

RVD/Lynn blew peoples minds because it was RVD who had spent about a year and a half at this point flying around these big brawling types, finally having someone go spot for spot for him and it was new, it was fresh, and it felt like a turning of the tide. Like, if ANYONE was going to beat RVD, it was this guy who could meet him at every level. And the shyt they were doing, all those stand-offs, were mindblowing at the time. But every indie and big time wrestler on the planet doing it in every match and in increasingly inventive ways over the next 15 years removed the cutting edge appeal so it looks incredibly dated.

Joe/Punk the same. All of Joe's title matches had been sprints. 15-20 mins of him gaining momentum, linking together offense, and steamrolling through opponents. So Punk intentionally drawing the match out put basically the past year on its head. It's something no one else had done. As each minute passes and Joe's frustration builds you're thinking "Oh fukk.....he might be the one to do it". By the time Punk hits that Plunge as time is ticking it's full on status. The second one with Joe dealing with a pro-Punk crowd and turning the tables at the end took a new thing and made it even newer.

I can't think of a single 60 minute match aside from Rock-HHH Iron Man that's still as good to watch now as it was the first time I saw it. And that match works because they went FULL fukkery.

 

[Scottie Drippin]

I know what you are trying to say (elbows and strikes) but Chris Hero and the Greatest in ring performer of All Time don't belong in the same sentence. Hero can't have a Misawa comeback even when trying to eat his 7th cheeseburger

There's only one GOAT.


And he was a fat sloppy mawfukka from Texas with a bad attitude, even worse eye sight, and an ignorant ass lariat

 

[Makai Club]

Those are matches you have to put in context. Funny that it's RVD/Lynn and Joe/Punk that you guys brought it as they're both huge examples of story/context making something great.

RVD/Lynn blew peoples minds because it was RVD who had spent about a year and a half at this point flying around these big brawling types, finally having someone go spot for spot for him and it was new, it was fresh, and it felt like a turning of the tide. Like, if ANYONE was going to beat RVD, it was this guy who could meet him at every level. And the shyt they were doing, all those stand-offs, were mindblowing at the time. But every indie and big time wrestler on the planet doing it in every match and in increasingly inventive ways over the next 15 years removed the cutting edge appeal so it looks incredibly dated.

Joe/Punk the same. All of Joe's title matches had been sprints. 15-20 mins of him gaining momentum, linking together offense, and steamrolling through opponents. So Punk intentionally drawing the match out put basically the past year on its head. It's something no one else had done. As each minute passes and Joe's frustration builds you're thinking "Oh fukk.....he might be the one to do it". By the time Punk hits that Plunge as time is ticking it's full on status. The second one with Joe dealing with a pro-Punk crowd and turning the tables at the end took a new thing and made it even newer.

I can't think of a single 60 minute match aside from Rock-HHH Iron Man that's still as good to watch now as it was the first time I saw it. And that match works because they went FULL fukkery.

The first Joe/Punk was forty minutes of stalling, lock-ups and fan interactions, and twenty minutes of them actually going at it until it ended in a draw. I can appreciate they were trying to tell a story out of it, and for the most part it worked, but it really felt like a letdown when this was a match that everybody on the internet including Meltzer was hyping at the time. I'll agree the last two matches actually gave you what you wanted, but it's always been the first match everyone is bragging about which made it underwhelming for me.

 

[Scottie Drippin]

The first Joe/Punk was forty minutes of stalling, lock-ups and fan interactions, and twenty minutes of them actually going at it until it ended in a draw. I can appreciate they were trying to tell a story out of it, and for the most part it worked, but it really felt like a letdown when this was a match that everybody on the internet including Meltzer was hyping at the time. I'll agree the last two matches actually gave you what you wanted, but it's always been the first match everyone is bragging about which made it underwhelming for me.

Nah breh, Joe/Punk II is the one everyone always props up. It's the one METLZ gave cinco.

I'm a huge fan of 1 (II is still better) just because it sets the stage for 2 so well. Punk's strategy WORKS. Like, he has Joe dead in the water but for Joe falling out of the ring after the Plunge. It makes 2 that much more special to me. Punk walks in with the home crowd love and as the favorite as he rightfully feels like he has Joe's number. On the other hand, Joe is on edge from jump. From the crowd giving him shyt, to having no answer to Punk clearly taking him into deep water again. The first match is what makes the second so special. No Empire without a New Hope type shyt.

 

[Makai Club]

Nah breh, Joe/Punk II is the one everyone always props up. It's the one METLZ gave cinco.

My comment in my last sentence still stands then! I just really, really couldn't get any appeal out of the first.

 

[Jmare007]

There's only one GOAT.


And he was a fat sloppy mawfukka from Texas with a bad attitude, even worse eye sight, and an ignorant ass lariat

Remember this when someone compares JBL to Stan Hansen. I mean, if Hero is the White Misawa, Bradshaw is the rich Stan Hansen

Spoiler

just fukking with ya, but careful with using the Elbow Throwing b*stard name like that again

 

[Scottie Drippin]

Remember this when someone compares JBL to Stan Hansen. I mean, if Hero is the White Misawa, Bradshaw is the rich Stan Hansen

Spoiler

just fukking with ya, but careful with using the Elbow Throwing b*stard name like that again

Spoiler

 

[3Rivers]

Spoiler

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[Mr.Black]

so people have a problem with heros physique while tensai, brodus clay, mark henry and bray wyatt run around on raw each week??

give him a singlet if need be and bring him up, dudes gotta be damn near 35