Kawhi Leonard out indefinitely due to partial acl tear

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We could get a #1 Lakers vs #8 Clippers next yr in the playoffs. If Kawhi makes it back that's a crazy first rd series
 

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Breh has 2 titles 2 fmvp and multi millionaire doubt he cares about his legacy and would rather be home. Unlike KD most of these players aren’t lames on message board/social media thinking about legacy and stuff

That all sounds great and all.. but it’s been proven multiple times that players don’t care about shyt like that as much as fans. He already won two rings, two FMVPs, and wanted to go back home and have all the superstar perks over a franchise :manny:

Clippers would be in the finals if kahwi didn’t injure his knee ,but he made a bad decision by not staying in a country he didn’t want to be in on a team currently in the lottery :what:

y’all be sounding stupid. Only lebron team hoppin to play with multiple all stars/top 5 picks desperately chasing the goat cares about legacy like that. kahwi in Cali surrounded by fam on a max contract he good

You guys have to lack perceptive awareness because yall keep saying this obviously wrong ass shyt...

If Kawhi didn't care about his legacy, he woulda went to LAC as is without making all these calls to Durant, Butler, George, or whoever else. If he didn't care about his legacy, he wouldn't be confirmed as behind the scenes telling people he's better than LeBron James, who by consensus is acknowledged as the greatest player of his era and possibly the greatest player ever. Why would he give a shyt how people regard him I relation to Bron if his legacy was irrelevant to him?

Why would he demand superstar assistance to LA with him if he didn't give a fukk about his legacy?

All of the greatest players care about their legacies. Yall see Kawhi carries it differently and think that means he doesn't when all of his actions show us he very much does...

Yall can't be this dumb...

If Kawhi stayed on the Raptors, he would have beaten the 2020 Lakers in the Finals

You don't know that any more than I do...

He’s not playing next season and the Clippers will never win a title

Most likely scenario on both counts...
 

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You guys have to lack perceptive awareness because yall keep saying this obviously wrong ass shyt...

If Kawhi didn't care about his legacy, he woulda went to LAC as is without making all these calls to Durant, Butler, George, or whoever else. If he didn't care about his legacy, he wouldn't be confirmed as behind the scenes telling people he's better than LeBron James, who by consensus is acknowledged as the greatest player of his era and possibly the greatest player ever. Why would he give a shyt how people regard him I relation to Bron if his legacy was irrelevant to him?

Why would he demand superstar assistance to LA with him if he didn't give a fukk about his legacy?

All of the greatest players care about their legacies. Yall see Kawhi carries it differently and think that means he doesn't when all of his actions show us he very much does...

Yall can't be this dumb...



You don't know that any more than I do...



Most likely scenario on both counts...

Because he wanted to win, at home, without having to carry a team on his back. Has no bearing on whether he cared about being the “best of his generation” or whatever other fan fiction you’re projecting on him.

“wHy WOulD hE wAnT tO MAke hIs LifE eAsIEr bY plAYiNg wITH oTHeR StaRs iF hE DiDnt caRe ABouT hOW PEOple vIEwed his legAcy??”

Shut up nikka :mjlol:
 

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You guys have to lack perceptive awareness because yall keep saying this obviously wrong ass shyt...

If Kawhi didn't care about his legacy, he woulda went to LAC as is without making all these calls to Durant, Butler, George, or whoever else. If he didn't care about his legacy, he wouldn't be confirmed as behind the scenes telling people he's better than LeBron James, who by consensus is acknowledged as the greatest player of his era and possibly the greatest player ever. Why would he give a shyt how people regard him I relation to Bron if his legacy was irrelevant to him?

Why would he demand superstar assistance to LA with him if he didn't give a fukk about his legacy?

All of the greatest players care about their legacies. Yall see Kawhi carries it differently and think that means he doesn't when all of his actions show us he very much does...

Yall can't be this dumb...



You don't know that any more than I do...



Most likely scenario on both counts...
Yeah I think cuz Kawhi is quiet that people think he doesn’t have a huge ego. Dude is ridiculously competitive like almost every great athlete in any sport. And nobody becomes that good at anything without caring about their legacy.

Ultimately, the best basketball decision woulda been to stay with the Raptors. If he stays there that team doesn’t break up, their younger players develop and get better and if guys stay healthy they three-peat with Kawhi as the leader, with four rings and four finals MVPs, 4/4 in the finals and the first team to three-peat since the Lakers 20 years ago. He would have gone down as top 5 or top 10 all time in that scenario. Plus being the sole guy in Toronto in a country that worshipped him the endorsement dollars would have been endless.

But he wanted to go home so can never fault him for wanting to be around family and satisfy the wifey who hates the cold. I think he thought it would be easier in LA than it has been. A bird in hand is worth more than two in the bush as they say.
 

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Yeah I think cuz Kawhi is quiet that people think he doesn’t have a huge ego. Dude is ridiculously competitive like almost every great athlete in any sport. And nobody becomes that good at anything without caring about their legacy.

Ultimately, the best basketball decision woulda been to stay with the Raptors. If he stays there that team doesn’t break up, their younger players develop and get better and if guys stay healthy they three-peat with Kawhi as the leader, with four rings and four finals MVPs, 4/4 in the finals and the first team to three-peat since the Lakers 20 years ago. He would have gone down as top 5 or top 10 all time in that scenario. Plus being the sole guy in Toronto in a country that worshipped him the endorsement dollars would have been endless.

But he wanted to go home so can never fault him for wanting to be around family and satisfy the wifey who hates the cold. I think he thought it would be easier in LA than it has been. A bird in hand is worth more than two in the bush as they say.

Agree with everything except, Raptors wouldn't have 3peated, and they wouldn't have gone undefeated if they went to more than two Finals...

3peats aren't happening anymore, the environment of the sport just isn't set up for it. We had three 3peats (the two Bulls and the Lakers) within a 12-year stretch 1990-2002; that's 75% of the titles in a dozen years attributable to 3peats...

None since, and people in real time thought the 00s Spurs had a shot, the late 00s Lakers had a shot, the Heatles had a shot, the Warriors had a shot, and there's the same story for all. Ego, injuries, and talent around The League is much more spread evenly than it ever was in generations passed, meaning The League catches up to these assumed dynasties much quicker than we always assume...

Even still, since the Dynasty Lakers last title in '02, the teams that have gone to more than one Finals:

•Dynasty Spurs went 3-0 ('03, '05, '07)
•Bad Boy Pistons II went 1-1 ('04, '05)
•Big 3 Celtics went 1-1 ('08, '10)
•Comeback Lakers went 2-1 ('08, '09, '10)
•Heatles went 2-2 ('11, '12, '13, '14)
•Comeback Spurs went 1-1 ('13, '14)
•Cavs went 1-3 ('15, '16, '17, '18)
•Warriors went 3-2 ('15, '16, '17, '18, '19)

Even if you believe Kawhi's Raptors coulda went undefeated in three Finals, it wouldn't be a 3peat and would be spread out more like those 00s Spurs. The only thing with that train of thought, is how confident should one be in Kawhi's health to win 3 chips between '19 and '23?

I mostly agree with your post, though!
 

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Agree with everything except, Raptors wouldn't have 3peated, and they wouldn't have gone undefeated if they went to more than two Finals...

3peats aren't happening anymore, the environment of the sport just isn't set up for it. We had three 3peats (the two Bulls and the Lakers) within a 12-year stretch 1990-2002; that's 75% of the titles in a dozen years attributable to 3peats...

None since, and people in real time thought the 00s Spurs had a shot, the late 00s Lakers had a shot, the Heatles had a shot, the Warriors had a shot, and there's the same story for all. Ego, injuries, and talent around The League is much more spread evenly than it ever was in generations passed, meaning The League catches up to these assumed dynasties much quicker than we always assume...

Even still, since the Dynasty Lakers last title in '02, the teams that have gone to more than one Finals:

•Dynasty Spurs went 3-0 ('03, '05, '07)
•Bad Boy Pistons II went 1-1 ('04, '05)
•Big 3 Celtics went 1-1 ('08, '10)
•Comeback Lakers went 2-1 ('08, '09, '10)
•Heatles went 2-2 ('11, '12, '13, '14)
•Comeback Spurs went 1-1 ('13, '14)
•Cavs went 1-3 ('15, '16, '17, '18)
•Warriors went 3-2 ('15, '16, '17, '18, '19)

Even if you believe Kawhi's Raptors coulda went undefeated in three Finals, it wouldn't be a 3peat and would be spread out more like those 00s Spurs. The only thing with that train of thought, is how confident should one be in Kawhi's health to win 3 chips between '19 and '23?

I mostly agree with your post, though!
Well three-pears are rare for a reason but given the makeup of that Raptors roster, and if the team stayed healthy, I could see a three-peat. There was just too much length, athleticism, youth, defence and shooting on that team. That roster didn’t have any weakness and a bunch of guys that play better in big games. I really believe a three-peat would have been likely. At the same time, I don’t disagree with your logic so I won’t go back and forth with you on it. The main point I was trying to make is that Kawhi leaving Toronto was a bad basketball and legacy decision (and some might argue bad money decision as well).
 

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You guys have to lack perceptive awareness because yall keep saying this obviously wrong ass shyt...

If Kawhi didn't care about his legacy, he woulda went to LAC as is without making all these calls to Durant, Butler, George, or whoever else. If he didn't care about his legacy, he wouldn't be confirmed as behind the scenes telling people he's better than LeBron James, who by consensus is acknowledged as the greatest player of his era and possibly the greatest player ever. Why would he give a shyt how people regard him I relation to Bron if his legacy was irrelevant to him?

Why would he demand superstar assistance to LA with him if he didn't give a fukk about his legacy?

All of the greatest players care about their legacies. Yall see Kawhi carries it differently and think that means he doesn't when all of his actions show us he very much does...

Yall can't be this dumb...



You don't know that any more than I do...



Most likely scenario on both counts...
He can have his cake & eat if too,he went to the clippers to compete & be at home

like I said only Lebron desperate ass cares about that legacy stuff which is why he’s been creating mini all star teams for 10 years
 

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Well three-pears are rare for a reason but given the makeup of that Raptors roster, and if the team stayed healthy, I could see a three-peat. There was just too much length, athleticism, youth, defence and shooting on that team. That roster didn’t have any weakness and a bunch of guys that play better in big games. I really believe a three-peat would have been likely. At the same time, I don’t disagree with your logic so I won’t go back and forth with you on it. The main point I was trying to make is that Kawhi leaving Toronto was a bad basketball and legacy decision (and some might argue bad money decision as well).
No way Kawhi stays healthy enough for a 3peat.

his leg BEEN DONE
 

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Thunder won, them nikkas about to be drafting in the top 5 even after their finish they rebuild with those clippers picks.. we are about to witness another warrior type dynasty with a lot of young stars on rookie deals.
 

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The bubble was their best chance to win.. That was probably the healthiest Kawhi has been in years when you consider the 5 months of mid-season rest. That collapse against the Nuggets should haunt Clippers fans.
That’s how you know it’s not in the cards. That was their chance. Even with the run they made this year getting to the WCF Kawhi broke down..

It’s just not gonna happen
 

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completely understandable at the time but that SGA and all those picks for PG might go down as one of WOAT trades ever looking back
Stop it. The trade bought both Kawhi and PG. Two of those first were from Philly and two are pick swaps. We have youth as well as our first rounder this year. The only thing is hurts is being able to make trades. We'll see if Presti can turn it into something or pump fake himself to death like Danny Ainge. They have so many pics that I don't even think SGA survives to make it in their future core.
 

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Stop it. The trade bought both Kawhi and PG. Two of those first were from Philly and two are pick swaps. We have youth as well as our first rounder this year. The only thing is hurts is being able to make trades. We'll see if Presti can turn it into something or pump fake himself to death like Danny Ainge. They have so many pics that I don't even think SGA survives to make it in their future core.
He cant, he'll be too old once those picks become good enough to compete
 

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Kahwi Leonard & Paul George>>>>picks

draft picks have become so overrated if ain’t unprotected top 5 picks who gives a fukk.name the last 18th or 22nd(this the range those clipper picks will be in)pick that turned into a multi all star/all nba talent

I’ll take all nba all stars over picks any day
 
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