Kendrick Lamar Facing Lawsuit Over ‘Section.80′ Track

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fukk that. Use my shyt then you gonna pay me.

What i look like spending all that time and effort to craft some music only to let the next man earn money off it while i get nothing?
So basically, every golden-age rap act should get sued then?

I dunno, I maintain that as long as the sample is manipulated or altered so that it isnt a "bare-bones loop" or recognizable, that its fair game :yeshrug:
 

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yeah an interpolation , but still they shouldnt get shyt because is was a good look :birdman: , people need to realise a lot of these artist get by on them royalty cheques so cut the cheques(no rick ross)
People borrow ideas all the time. How many songs on the radio sound exactly like other songs on the radio? If no actual music was sampled, theres no case. Interpolation is a major reach on Blurred Lines too.

Sounds like everyone should just be suing each other off GP. People feeling entitled to sue other people is a major epidemic in society :dead:
 

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Do we know if they cleared the sample?
I HIGHLY doubt Zion I cleared the sample :pachaha:

I guess I see their point to a degree. Section 80 was formally released and backed by a major. Normally underground stuff gets ignored, but I guess they waited a few years to pounce. They should get some bread cause technically everything on GKMC got cleared, and S80 was pretty popular

Theyll prolly sue Kendrick for like 100 Million or something like everyone does, and settle out of court

Just sucks cause one of the most interesting aspects of TDE is how they sample heavily, from newer (indie) and also more obscure (70-80s prog, like APP) and situations like this could discourage them and other up-and-comers from making sample-based hip-hop, which is traditionally better :obama:

Most of the new indie acts dont chase after copyright laws because theyre HAPPY to be sampled by a rapper. Its free pub and exposes them to a young hungry fanbase. Its typically the older, washed-up ex-major label types that wanna throw around 8 figure lawsuits cause theres no more tours and their label jerked them for like 40+ years...
 
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So basically, every golden-age rap act should get sued then?

I dunno, I maintain that as long as the sample is manipulated or altered so that it isnt a "bare-bones loop" or recognizable, that its fair game :yeshrug:

What do you mean by recognizable? Clearly if i make a song, you sample it, and i realize its my shyt then its recognizable. Why shouldnt i be compensated when you are using my property to make money?

I mean just because those old rap acts got away with it doesnt mean theft is fair game for everyone. And thats what it is if you use someone's property without consulting or paying the owner.
 
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What do you mean by recognizable? Clearly if i make a song, you sample it, and i realize its my shyt then its recognizable. Why shouldnt i be compensated when you are using my property to make money?

I mean just because those old rap acts got away with it doesnt mean theft is fair game for everyone. And thats what it is if you use someone's property without consulting or paying the owner.
I guess I consider sampling to be an integral part of hip hop. I couldn't imagine the game without crate digging. I definitely think that high profile rap acts should be clearing their samples but there's so much rap music born of uncleared samples, hell even today, so are they just supposed to stop doing it all of a sudden? Rap has never been conventional. From it's subject matter to it's imagery to it's creation and source material...
 

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Was Section 80 ever available to purchase?
And if not, does he (Eric Woolfson) still have a case?

Well duh. Kendrick had a lil buzz at that time but nowhere near his level of fame now. He probably didn't get a hold of the Kendrick song until this year.
shyt like this happens all the time.
A rapper comes out with a song when he's virtually unknown, then once he's famous gets sued years later.

I think I read somewhere that it eventually sold over 100,000 copies
 

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:camby: wasnt suing 3 years ago when the song came out and he wasnt a platinum artist

Did they hear the song 3 years ago?

And even if they knew about it, it would dumb to sue when a song first comes out.

You wait so you can get more money

This shyt aint rocket science :heh:
 

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I guess I consider sampling to be an integral part of hip hop. I couldn't imagine the game without crate digging. I definitely think that high profile rap acts should be clearing their samples but there's so much rap music born of uncleared samples, hell even today, so are they just supposed to stop doing it all of a sudden? Rap has never been conventional. From it's subject matter to it's imagery to it's creation and source material...

Stop thinking of it from the perspective of a rap fan and think of it from the perpective of business in general.

If I create a song (of any random genre) why should I be concerned about the history and future of sample based hip hop and not you making money off my property?
 
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