Kendrick Lamar’s Black Israelites References On “Damn.” Explained

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I respect that, and Rigamortis is my favorite Kendrick song, I study that song. I've studied it enough to kinda understand where some people are trying to come from when they try to argue against K-Dot being some elite level lyricist with the "Where's the quotables?".

But don't get it twisted, that's my shyt and really the only song I listen to from S80 on the reg. But as I was saying, it's a difference between punchlines, flows and darts. Some people got all 3, some don't need all 3. (Bank$)

Now the reason why Pac is highly revered without being super technical is because of darts.

Things that stick, not just with people who are big fans but even those who might not even listen to rap like that. But I'm not about to use Pac, or Cube to downplay the moments Kendrick is creating for himself and for us, I'm enjoying it, I'm proud of him and I think, once you get past the music industry bullshyt, a lot of y'all will be able to fall back and just appreciate it for what it is.



That 2nd and 3rd verse...I'ma leave that alone.

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But his his position is mainly industry bullshyt.
Once that fades,he fades with it
 

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I give him credit since the black folks who always go against the hebrew israelites in the streets,taking up for cacs....will now probaly be sitting around indian style hearing what they have to say,all cuz Kendrick said it:lupe:

Other thn that he should never be compared to Pac or Cube....who were actual teachers like those Hebrew Israelute brothas in the streets:wow:...they had the pebbles thrown,were unapolagetic and ready to explain through media,and fire back through song....so far wheres the pressure on Kendrick:jbhmm:?

Cant call the music powerful when everybody knows hes just laying out shyt for your own interpretation,that he will likely wiggle out of if pressed?or saved by his machine so that he never has to answer:pachaha:

What he does has merit,but i like the raw unapolagetic fire:wow:

Not shyt possibly greenlighted by a machine for controversy for sales,and protected by that same machine:sas2:
 

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1.If he doesnt make better music,who cares? You could say subjective,but in reality who says live instruments is taking us forward in hiphop? Also live instruments isnt new in hiphop. Dont think it would be new to pac or cube either.

He does make better music imo and it's not just live instrumentation but it's the musicianship and all the beat switching his team does on the music side of things. They are helping to push music forward and music is not just an individual sport, it's a team sport and his team is incredible.
2.My main argument is he is a regression of mc's in his lane of the early 90's. HE IS,what you're saying,doesnt dispute that

I feel your argument is rather asinine and clearly misguided. What he is doing is even more difficult then what the 90's emcees were doing and he is taking their work and bringing it to a different level. He is clearly a future top 10 emcee and I feel you just want to discredit him cause you're a hater.

3. The deciding factor is not kendrick's greatness,it's Interscope's push. If he was so great and really saying something,it would be a much bigger shift in the game. His sound would become the dominant shyt eveybody was jumping on.

It is a big shift in the game, he dethroned pop singer/Nelly 2.0 Drake. Also it's not an interscope push that helped him, it's actually his talent and the work he put in to the point where we consider him a consistently great artist. This is why he is so successful now because with every album he comes with better, different, and fresher concepts.

It's not about people jumping on his sound and his sound becoming the dominant shyt everybody jumps on because at the end of the day we are arguing whether or not Kendrick is pushing the legacy of artist like 2pac and Ice cube forward. That is another topic actually and even regarding that I think you are wrong. TDE production is some of the best in the game.

4.So you give him props for some shyt that you hope he grows out of? He's almost 30,you sound like you're talking about a foul mouthed pre teen.
No I give him props for getting people to question things, plain and simple. Don't try to twist my words and logic.
5.Him being too shook to elaborate cause of what crackers might do,completely annihilates your claim that he's a continuation of pac,cube etc.
Not really, Pac died in the end and Ice cube went on to be an actor after awhile. Is Ice Cube perpetuating the white mans system and does that water down his past message? No it doesn't. Kendrick learned from people like Pac that you got to play your cards wisely.

At the end of the day, Kendrick is smart and is not saying more then he has to. You have to play chess not checkers. That way you could get the crackers money and have them funding your machine but you doing what you really want to and getting your message across to your people. Only a dumb ass let's themselves be a pawn and runs up in a spot to get their head cut off.

6.What has he taught?
All i saw was him bandwagon some shyt,add nothing new to it,no opinion or perspective of his own to it. HE TAUGHT NOTHING
He taught that money doesn't make you happy, loving yourself does and appreciating your family, your girl and those that really care about you. He taught that being real is most important. He taught the kids living in the ghetto to keep focused and work their way out of it. He also taught us in a very real way about how shyt changes around you when you make it in life and the lessons that come with that.

I mean think about it too, Pac and Cube got songs nothing like this musically. Listen to the use of his voice most importantly...



7.snoop,yg and david banner have all given us more definitive direct art pieces about what's currently going on than kendrick has.
Has nothing to do with better. Has to do with them really getting at it vs being like kendrick.Meaning, saying lil vague shyt while holding out his hands to receive acclaim or praise for his minimal efforts.
(dont agree with your BETTER CLAIM either,but refuse to be side tracked)

I strongly disagree, they don't make better art or more definitive art. None of them did a work as great as TPAB.

8.Kendrick isnt making anyone care or raise the consciousness.
He's a nice stand in plant that makes white people comfortable. If he ever goes hard,support will be diminished and he's not built to survive in the mud. And like i said,my whole point was who's going harder.
And kendrick is very low on that list.
He doesnt want to keep it real,he wants to create the illusion of keeping it real,saying something deep,so smart/dumb nikkas and cac's can pat him on the back and reward him.
I disagree, Kendrick is playing the game as anyone smart would do. Also he is raising the consciousness as well and his sales suffered with TPAB because of that. White people thought that album was too pro black and it even began with the sample saying every nikka is a star lol. It don't get no more pro-black or risky then that.
 

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By the way,stop babying this almost 30 yr old nikka.
If he really know some shyt,he'll un twist any would be word twister uppers
People would attack him because he is on a pedestal and scrutinize everything he says they don't agree with. That's why less talking is better.

Keep up the mystery. He a rapper so he raps it to you as he should.
 

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People would attack him because he is on a pedestal and scrutinize everything he says they don't agree with. That's why less talking is better.

Keep up the mystery. He a rapper so he raps it to you as he should.
Then he shouldn't go out of his way to act like he's "not letting the music die " like tupac told him in his dream.
Ain't nothing wrong with what Kendrick is doing in general. But when you front,then that's a problem.
Acting like Pac came to you in a dream,then later acting like Pac was talking to you via an Unheard interview,THEN COWERING AND NOT RIDING LIKE THEM (or even attempting to)

Fellowshipping with artists for a buzz then taking shots for Attention later on is corny.

Being this anti mainstream guy but REALLY BEING SUPER MAINSTREAM is all corny.


Bottom line


It's cool to rap from his perspective
(Just don't front like you're doing something else)

It's cool to say fukk these other rappers (but don't do songs with and go tour with them)
 

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Then he shouldn't go out of his way to act like he's "not letting the music die " like tupac told him in his dream.
Ain't nothing wrong with what Kendrick is doing in general. But when you front,then that's a problem.
Acting like Pac came to you in a dream,then later acting like Pac was talking to you via an Unheard interview,THEN COWERING AND NOT RIDING LIKE THEM (or even attempting to)

Fellowshipping with artists for a buzz then taking shots for Attention later on is corny.

Being this anti mainstream guy but REALLY BEING SUPER MAINSTREAM is all corny.


Bottom line


It's cool to rap from his perspective
(Just don't front like you're doing something else)

It's cool to say fukk these other rappers (but don't do songs with and go tour with them)
I disagree respectfully with your synopsis of the situation sir and I feel Kendrick is genuine but we can agree to disagree.
Are you a Drake fan?
 

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Sure you are lol. It all makes sense.

What exactly do you disagree with though?
I disagree with the way you interpret his use of the interview, sure Pac inspired him but the Pac interview was just something he did to inspire the listeners and to let folks hear the Pac clip. It wasn't as deep as you making it to be like Pac really came to him in some dream lol.

Even him taking shots at some artist, he is just letting them know guys we need to step it up more then anything and it was never that personal. Then they started throwing shots at him so he responded.

Also he never said he was anti mainstream because he wants to be the top rapper and thus he needs to have clout in the mainstream and among the real rap fans.
 

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Sure you are lol. It all makes sense.


I disagree with the way you interpret his use of the interview, sure Pac inspired him but the Pac interview was just something he did to inspire the listeners and to let folks hear the Pac clip. It wasn't as deep as you making it to be like Pac really came to him in some dream lol.

Even him taking shots at some artist, he is just letting them know guys we need to step it up more then anything and it was never that personal. Then they started throwing shots at him so he responded.

Also he never said he was anti mainstream because he wants to be the top rapper and thus he needs to have clout in the mainstream and among the real rap fans.
My assessment of the use of the interview is A1,I Misconstrued nothing.

If I help a nikka and they do what Kendrick did,they deserve an actual beating.
He wanted attention and did sucka shyt to get it. He knew how to get at all them nikkas if that was really goal,to motivate them to step it up.
You're just making up anything at this point
 

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My assessment of the use of the interview is A1,I Misconstrued nothing.

If I help a nikka and they do what Kendrick did,they deserve an actual beating.
He wanted attention and did sucka shyt to get it. He knew how to get at all them nikkas if that was really goal,to motivate them to step it up.
You're just making up anything at this point
It's rap, it's competition and not personal. You saying you would beat him shows your lack of self control and that you are emotional.

It wasn't that serious and you're just a biased Drake fan.
 
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