daboywonder2002
Superstar
I just hate that yall punish Draymond based on where he was drafted. He can't help that he was drafted to a good situation. But remember Dray was a second round pick. He wasn't even supposed to be a starter.
Kenyon Martin takes Draymond to the glue factory and list 50 PFs better than him all time.
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He cant help? How bout be a dominant player in college like Kmart was
Dray was player of the year lol
The nba didnt know what position he could play is why he went so low
Dray changed the game
Curry changed offense
Dray changed defense
What good is being a dominant player in college if you don’t accomplish shiit in the league…
If you are a dominant player in college most times that means you win a rookie of the year in the NBA and have an impact…
K Mart was NEVER that guy want any TV played on. Denver, New Jersey, etc.
daboywonder2002
Superstar
Career Playoff Averages (Kenyon Martin)
12.9 points per game
6.8 rebounds per game
1.8 assists per game
Draymond Green
Points per game: 11.4
Rebounds: 8.6
Assists: 6.0
But yet, we're gonna hear the same tired excuses
Draymond not a scorer. He hitting a single triple. Shows them Draymond double digit scoring. Well that's only cause he playing with Steph and Klay
12.9 points per game
6.8 rebounds per game
1.8 assists per game
Draymond Green
Points per game: 11.4
Rebounds: 8.6
Assists: 6.0
But yet, we're gonna hear the same tired excuses
Draymond not a scorer. He hitting a single triple. Shows them Draymond double digit scoring. Well that's only cause he playing with Steph and Klay
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how did circumstances help him become an all time defensive player? Did Steph help with that?
The circumstances is Kerr starting him over David Lee.
daboywonder2002
Superstar
they stay looking for ways to diminish Draymond no matter what.
VegetasHairline
Veteran
Draymond did not change defense.
Shawn Marion and Kevin Garnett were guarding multiple positions before Draymond even made it to the NBA.
KG would never be assigned a PG and Marion would never be assigned to a centerDraymond did not change defense.
Shawn Marion and Kevin Garnett were guarding multiple positions before Draymond even made it to the NBA.
I saw Dray give hell to Joker in 2022
I saw him give hell to Tatum
Dude is a top 4 defender of all time
VegetasHairline
Veteran
You said he changed the game. He didn't.
You said he changed defense. He didn't.
Players were guarding multiple positions before he got in the league. He was not the first to do it. Don't move the goalposts.
We also saw Alex Caruso give Jokic hell last year.
We saw Wiggins give Tatum hell in the Finals while Draymond was benched.
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daboywonder2002
Superstar
This is for people that still think Draymond is a product of Steph and Klay
Takeaway (career):
- Career games (approx): 897
- Games with Klay (career): 639 → With Klay (career averages):
- 8.9 PPG (≈8.86)
- 7.0 RPG (≈6.98)
- 5.2 APG (≈5.16)
- Games without Klay (career): 258 → Without Klay (career averages) (StatMuse):
- 8.3 PPG
- 6.7 RPG
- 6.7 APG
Takeaway (career):
- Draymond’s scoring and rebounding are essentially the same whether Klay is playing or not (8.9 vs 8.3 PPG; ~7.0 vs 6.7 RPG).
- His assists are higher when Klay is not playing (6.7 APG without Klay vs ~5.2 APG with Klay). That suggests Draymond has been asked to distribute more in lineups where Klay was absent.
BigTyme Records
Superstar
Dray is much better than Kenyon ever was . Especially in 2016.
Circumstances helped him build a HOF career.
There's certain players who would've been what they were regardless and there's certain players that benefitted greatly from being put in the right situation at the right time. Draymond to me is in that second group.
If Draymond plays the first 10 years of his career in Charlotte or even Indiana are we talking about him as a 1st ballot HOFer? Or if the Warriors never became a dynasty, are we talking about him as a 1st ballot HOFer?
That's what I mean.