Kevin Durant is better then Kobe ever was true or false?

[DillaTUDE]

23 year old LeBron with KD’s supporting cast probably wins the damn title though.

He couldn't even win a title in 2011 with prime Wade and Bosh, so how he's accomplishing that with a "green" Harden and Westbrook?

 

[Draje]

@Char Aznable didnt that same JJ Barrea sweep the defending Lakers the same year and had Bynum catching flagrants?

 

[cKondomsucK6]

Dominated with 1 MVP, which should have gone to Cp3.

cp3 who's made it out of the first round 3 times in his career lmfao

 

[FlyRy]

cp3 who's made it out of the first round 3 times in his career lmfao

It's a regular season award so I don't know what you're saying

 

[Professor Emeritus]

They want him to win back to back titles with Kwame Brown, Chris Mihm, Brian Cook, Lamar Odom, Luke Walton and Smush Parker. Even if he did that, they would say he didnt pass enough to those guys. When he did pass to those guys, they accused him of quitting on his team, after he posted 50 the game before and they criticized him for not passing enough.

That's always such a bullshyt argument about that series. Kobe didn't "pass to those guys" in the 2nd half of Game 7. He straight quit.

He wasn't running plays, he wasn't setting guys up, he stayed outside the three-point line almost the entire time. It wasn't just that he completely stopped shooting, he wasn't doing anything. He wasn't even getting rebounds. He was not engaged, everyone and their mama could see that.

He DID pass the ball well the first four games of that series. The was the smartest ball I'd ever seen him play in the playoffs. He was keeping everyone involved, the whole team was playing well, and it showed on both ends. Kobe wasn't even scoring big - he had 7-21, 6-18, and 9-14 games - yet the Lakers were up 3-1 just because his whole mentality was different. I'd seen him do that for stretches of the regular season a couple times, but this was the best I'd ever seen him do it in the playoffs.

Then in Game 5, it didn't quite work. It wasn't like anything went wrong, the Laker offense was still cooking, it was just the Lakers turned it over too much while the Suns hardly turned it over at all, and the Lakers couldn't keep the Suns off the glass.

Now Lakers are still up 3-2. They still are going home with a chance to win. Kobe could still keep playing the same way.

But no. He did exactly what the Pistons had talked about two years earlier. They knew that when other players are succeeding with the ball, and Kobe's not getting his, he gets anxious and frustrated and begins to ruin the plays. So "he" had to take over his way. He didn't care that Odom was balling that game, Walton was balling that game, George was balling that game, Kwame was straight dominating the Suns' big men. But instead of feeding them, he had to get his.

And yeah, in an overtime game he managed to shoot 20-35 (plus 7 turnovers). But did you know his teammates were even hotter? Odom/Walton/Kwame/George were 26-42 in that same game. They were BALLING....so why does Kobe need to take as many shots as all four of them combined? Instead of keeping it balanced like he had the first five games, he dominated the ball. Only got 5 assists even with all those guys balling like that (most of their shots were set up by Odom and Sasha or off of offensive boards). He could have let his teammates eat and put his energy into defense, but he had to be the hero. And by pulling the trigger on all those early long jumpers, Kobe created a shootout game, the run-and-gun game the Suns kill you at, and that's exactly what they did.

Did Kobe learn? Hell nah, he let Nash and Diaw put on a clinic on how to dominate by feeding your teammates instead of trying to do it all yourself. And when the Lakers were down 15 at halftime and he felt the Kobe show wasn't working because his teammates weren't doing enough (when in reality it was defense that was the issue, and he was as much to blame for that as anyone), he straight quit.

Ya'all will never get that stain off of him. Everyone in the world saw Kobe quit halfway through a Game 7 in the playoffs. That's part of his legacy forever.

 

[JahFocus CS]

That's always such a bullshyt argument about that series. Kobe didn't "pass to those guys" in the 2nd half of Game 7. He straight quit.

He wasn't running plays, he wasn't setting guys up, he stayed outside the three-point line almost the entire time. It wasn't just that he completely stopped shooting, he wasn't doing anything. He wasn't even getting rebounds. He was not engaged, everyone and their mama could see that.

He DID pass the ball well the first four games of that series. The was the smartest ball I'd ever seen him play in the playoffs. He was keeping everyone involved, the whole team was playing well, and it showed on both ends. Kobe wasn't even scoring big - he had 7-21, 6-18, and 9-14 games - yet the Lakers were up 3-1 just because his whole mentality was different. I'd seen him do that for stretches of the regular season a couple times, but this was the best I'd ever seen him do it in the playoffs.

Then in Game 5, it didn't quite work. It wasn't like anything went wrong, the Laker offense was still cooking, it was just the Lakers turned it over too much while the Suns hardly turned it over at all, and the Lakers couldn't keep the Suns off the glass.

Now Lakers are still up 3-2. They still are going home with a chance to win. Kobe could still keep playing the same way.

But no. He did exactly what the Pistons had talked about two years earlier. They knew that when other players are succeeding with the ball, and Kobe's not getting his, he gets anxious and frustrated and begins to ruin the plays. So "he" had to take over his way. He didn't care that Odom was balling that game, Walton was balling that game, George was balling that game, Kwame was straight dominating the Suns' big men. But instead of feeding them, he had to get his.

And yeah, in an overtime game he managed to shoot 20-35 (plus 7 turnovers). But did you know his teammates were even hotter? Odom/Walton/Kwame/George were 26-42 in that same game. They were BALLING....so why does Kobe need to take as many shots as all four of them combined? Instead of keeping it balanced like he had the first five games, he dominated the ball. Only got 5 assists even with all those guys balling like that (most of their shots were set up by Odom and Sasha or off of offensive boards). He could have let his teammates eat and put his energy into defense, but he had to be the hero. And by pulling the trigger on all those early long jumpers, Kobe created a shootout game, the run-and-gun game the Suns kill you at, and that's exactly what they did.

Did Kobe learn? Hell nah, he let Nash and Diaw put on a clinic on how to dominate by feeding your teammates instead of trying to do it all yourself. And when the Lakers were down 15 at halftime and he felt the Kobe show wasn't working because his teammates weren't doing enough (when in reality it was defense that was the issue, and he was as much to blame for that as anyone), he straight quit.

Ya'all will never get that stain off of him. Everyone in the world saw Kobe quit halfway through a Game 7 in the playoffs. That's part of his legacy forever.

write a dissertation to justify your Kobe hate, brehs

 

[cKondomsucK6]

It's a regular season award so I don't know what you're saying

lakers were the 1 seed over the pelicans granted by a game , they both came outta nowhere idunno how u could possibly say paul was robbed

on top of that it was almost viewed he was owed one based off the fact he never got one prior

westbrook broke the mold in the modern era of players winning it not being a top seed

 

[Professor Emeritus]

write a dissertation to justify your Kobe hate, brehs

I'm gonna keep copy-and-pasting this over and over because it's such a hilarious pattern. Ya'all Kobe stans do the same thing every damn time.

Step 1: Lie about something that happened.
Step 2: Pretend your lie fits some greater pattern of reality even though you don't give any other example
Step 3: When called out on your lie with receipts, deflect by attacking the poster by claiming he is a "Lebron stan" or "Kobe hater." Don't actually address reality.
Step 4: Run away and make a new thread with the same pattern

 

[FlyRy]

lakers were the 1 seed over the pelicans granted by a game , they both came outta nowhere idunno how u could possibly say paul was robbed

on top of that it was almost viewed he was owed one based off the fact he never got one prior

westbrook broke the mold in the modern era of players winning it not being a top seed

Cp3 deserved it.

Kobe got lifetime achievement award.
And benefited from gasol

 

[KRiLL (+)]

2000 finals vs Pacers:
6 for 13
1 for 3
14 for 27
4 for 20
8 for 27

2001 finals vs Sixers:
7 for 22
11 for 23
13 for 30
6 for 13
7 for 18

2002 finals vs Nets:
6 for 16
9 for 15
14 for 23
7 for 16

2004 finals vs Pistons:
10 for 27
14 for 27
4 for 13
8 for 25
7 for 21

2008 finals vs Celtics:
9 for 26
11 for 23
12 for 20
6 for 19
8 for 21
7 for 22

2009 finals vs Magic:
16 for 34
10 for 22
11 for 25
11 for 31
10 for 23

2010 finals vs Celtics:
10 for 22
8 for 20
10 for 29
10 for 22
13 for 27
9 for 19
6 for 24

 

[Versa]

Kobe is a top 10-12 player ever.

Just because we don't foolishly have him in the top 5, where he absolutely does not deserve to be, doesn't mean anyone is hating on him

 

[Slaimon Khan Shah]

I would rather have the 28 year old Kobe over the 28 year old Durant (even though I think Kevin is already arguably the greatest basketball player ever as of 04-01-2018 (no April Fools Day joke)).
Kobe did his thing in the Los Angeles limelight.
How many players wilt under that type of pressure?

 

[Gravity]

2000 finals vs Pacers:
6 for 13
1 for 3
14 for 27
4 for 20
8 for 27

2001 finals vs Sixers:
7 for 22
11 for 23
13 for 30
6 for 13
7 for 18

2002 finals vs Nets:
6 for 16
9 for 15
14 for 23
7 for 16

2004 finals vs Pistons:
10 for 27
14 for 27
4 for 13
8 for 25
7 for 21

2008 finals vs Celtics:
9 for 26
11 for 23
12 for 20
6 for 19
8 for 21
7 for 22

2009 finals vs Magic:
16 for 34
10 for 22
11 for 25
11 for 31
10 for 23

2010 finals vs Celtics:
10 for 22
8 for 20
10 for 29
10 for 22
13 for 27
9 for 19
6 for 24

 

[OC's finest]

Oh how quickly people forget and disparriage legends. I'm convinced 90% of dudes on this forum just look at stats and box scores without watching games.

Bunha 16 year olds posting in this forum

 

[Mensch Fontana]

Efficient don't mean better a lot of guys are more efficient, that's a cac stat