Peruvian Connect
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I don't see how though. He has 2 finals wins without another superstar by his side. That's not goat status or 2nd status
KG and Piru P has a message for Lebron fans. Draymond responds.
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LeVraiPapi
Redemption is Coming
Water Pistol Pete aka Sccit External
LexDiamonds
Superstar
Everyone who has won has had another superstar by their side
Peruvian Connect
Superstar
Incorrect. Kwahi last year. Pistons against L.A., Mavs against Miami, Houston vs Orl. SA against Miami
staticshock
Veteran
That poster claimed that the Celtics managed to take LeBron's Heat to 7 in 2012 even though he had prime Bosh.
Bosh DIDN'T EVEN PLAY in the first five games of the series and was barely moving the last two.
No one would "forget" if Pippen or Curry weren't even there for the large majority of the series.
He's giving the Celtics credit for beating a player who wasn't even on the court and you're claiming that Bron stans distort history by pointing out he was injured.
LexDiamonds
Superstar
Well every player who is in the GOAT discussion has had another superstar next to them. Can't only penalize Lebron for that.
Literally no one has said that this entire thread.
The fools getting clowned are the ones who claim the exact opposite - saying that PP/KG/Ray/Rondo were all washed when they were still making all-star games while Wade and Bosh were "in their prime" when they were missing half the playoffs or averaging 15ppg for an entire postseason.
The reasonable people look at it and see it was the same situation. Wade from 2012-2014 was in roughly the same shape as PP/KG in 2010-2012 - playing all-star quality basketball but no longer in their prime. Bosh missed half the 2012 postseason and was not able to play at 100% after he got back. You have to be a flaming idiot not to see that.
Lord_Chief_Rocka
Superstar
That poster claimed that the Celtics managed to take LeBron's Heat to 7 in 2012 even though he had prime Bosh.
Bosh DIDN'T EVEN PLAY in the first five games of the series and was barely moving the last two.
No one would "forget" if Pippen or Curry weren't even there for the large majority of the series.
He's giving the Celtics credit for beating a player who wasn't even on the court and you're claiming that Bron stans distort history by pointing out he was injured.
Yeah y'all distort history all the fukking time.To elaborate, most Bron stans believe he played with less talent than other top 10 players. I
This is like a Trump fan yelling, "FAKE NEWS" when they get caught in a lie. Do you even have an argument?
"Sure it was completely made up but you do it too! Not that I need evidence for that!"
I swear you gotta be trolling cause no one could be this miserable about an athlete in real life.
Lord_Chief_Rocka
Superstar
I just provided an example. Y'all really believe he played with less talent than Jordan. That's an obvious distortion of history.This is like a Trump fan yelling, "FAKE NEWS" when they get caught in a lie. Do you even have an argument?
"Sure it was completely made up but you do it too! Not that I need evidence for that!"
I swear you gotta be trolling cause no one could be this miserable about an athlete in real life.
AJtheOne
Nets/Giants/Yankees
Dray lives to son Pierce
at this point they might have to run that fade.
at this point they might have to run that fade.
I'm not sure what you're referring to.
I agree with you that several of Bron's teams were better than MJ's teams. But MJ's teams were better relative to their competition. MJ played in the expansion era where 6 expansion teams were added over a 7-year period and it diluted the fukk out of the talent except on the Bulls. No other superstar he had to face had the combination of a coach as good as Phil, a #2 as good as Scottie, a rebounder/defender as good as Horace Grant/Rodman, shooters as good as Paxson/Armstrong and Kerr/Kukoc, and solid bodies giving depth 8-10 deep. He played teams like the Jazz who had shytty ass secondary scoring options and were starting multiple white stiffs in the frontcourt all season long, or teams like the Sonics who basically could only put 5 legit basketball players on the court (Frank Brickowski was a STARTER on that team). Drexler was supposed to be his big competition and he had Terry Porter as a #2 who couldn't touch Pippen in his wildest dreams.
It doesn't make sense to compare MJ and LBJ's squads straight up when talking about their accomplishments, because they didn't face the same competition. You can only compare them relative to their competition. And the Bulls lineups were great relative to their comp.
No way LBJ ever wins a Finals where he puts up performances like MJ had against the Sonics in 1996 or against the Jazz in 1998, for example. Even MJ's 1997 performance probably doesn't win any of LBJ's Finals.
They should just be rooting for their former teammate on the verge to wining his second ring in my opinion but whatever
They cant man... If Lebron takes this Lakers team to a finals, Rondo and Ray Allen both will have another ring... and it will be alongside Lebron James.
Pierce and KG ain't never gonna sleep well with that shyt. Not now, not ever.
PP and KG would have had better odds at rings throughout their entire career had it not been for Kobe and Lebron. Great players just....erase possibilities for guys like them when they dominate long stretches. "Some beef is everlasting" No 'One Mic' intended.
murksiderock
Superstar
I'll wait to revisit this after The Finals, as inevitably his standing in the GOAT debate will be a hot topic everywhere. For me nothing can change whether he wins or loses----->Michael is the only guy with a real case against LeBron. Whether that makes LeBron 1 or 2 is inconsequential to me, he ain't 3...
Your standard you're holding against LeBron makes no sense. Mike has no chips and no Finals appearances without Pippen. Kareem has one title and two Finals appearances without Magic. Wilt has one chip and two Finals appearances without West and/or Baylor...
Magic has zero chips and one Finals appearance without Kareem. Bird has no titles or Finals appearances without McHale. Shaq has no titles and one Finals appearance without Kobe or Wade. Oscar never made a Finals without Kareem. Hakeem has one title and two Finals appearances without Drexler...
Bill Russell never made a single Finals without playing next to Cousy, Havlicek, and a whole team, literally, of Hall Of Famers...
Kobe did win two of his chips and run to three Finals without Shaq, but still saw the majority of his championship success with him...
Duncan is the only GOAT candidate who won most of his championships, and made most of his Finals, without a Top 50 teammate, so unless you're gonna argue for Duncan being the greatest to ever do it, your point about LeBron is weak...
