Killer Mike Vs DJ Envy

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What are you trying to say?

I am saying that AADOS transplants that come here for the HBCU's or jobs -- have no ties to historical Atlanta Black communities - in Fulton, Dekalb or other --- therefore they don't send their children to Black schools in those areas.

Because of that -- whites are moving in to traditional Black communities -- and kicking/pushing Blacks who have always lived there out.

Look at East Atlanta. Black people have been out-priced of that area -- so I am sure the schools will now be built back up and now those same Blacks who didn't want their kids to go to the schools then -- now are open to them going.

Thought you were saying Non AADOS.

Black people now move to ATL for fukkery and because its cheap. Much of the history of ATL was not really maintained because most natives left the historic neighborhoods for the burbs. ATL also has a big boule type culture (just look up the Cascade crew), who try to serve as gate keepers in atl but havent done much to preserve culture. Much of the investment in historic black neighborhoods are corporate sponsored and really just to make the areas feel “cultured” to non black transplants in the same way Harlem and Brooklyn is.

Atlanta’s black history is a commodity to non blacks and the blacks of ATL are more so concerned with the glamor of the city.
 

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black parents assume private school is better just because that's where white people send their children (but they send them there to get away from black people, not necessarily because the education is better).

at the end of the day a smart kid is a smart kid no matter where they attend. I got accepted to M.I.T. coming from a "shytty public school education" but decided to go somewhere less than half the price that offered the same Engineering major.
But there is indeed a system in place (school to prison pipeline) to keep children as struggling worker bees instead of pushing them to be leaders of greatness. BUT thats where the parenting comes in.

I'm sure a lot of people have said this but most parents don't give a fukk like that because they aren't shyt themselves. Most of the parents are too busy clout chasing on social media.

Luckily mine cared and always pushed me to do more than the base requirements and I was able to achieve certain things that I wanted.
 

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black parents assume private school is better just because that's where white people send their children (but they send them there to get away from black people, not necessarily because the education is better)

this is a pretty limiting view on black parents


Did you go to an HBCU? And if not, was it to get away from black people?
 

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I'll agree with you that I don't hold deep ties to anywhere i've lived as i've lived all over the US (and I tend to move around alot), but you like to paint this narrative that immigrants don't live around native black people which is... weird to say the least.
When I first came to America I lived in DC, then later Maryland, then later Charlotte. I dont think I interacted with my first white person till I was 8 or 9. No white people lived anywhere near where I did growing up.

I'm not sure where you grew up but its not uncommon for a black community to have black immigrants in it, especially in DC.


People have this belief that black immigrants come to US with a ton a money and go build a home in the suburbs.
Reality is, most black immigrants come to US and live right alongside other black people.

It's not that I try to paint a "narrative" -- it's the truth. It's not being rude, shady or trying to be funny - or make anyone feel any type of way.

Immigrants in general -- live in certain areas of this country. Certain cities and areas.

Many states/cities have a very low amount of Black immigrants -- and if they are even there -- they aren't in Black American neighborhoods - point blank.

Yes, D.C., NY, NJ, Houston is very mixed with Black Natives and Black immigrants -- but my point is traditional Black communities -- that have been existence for generations -- tend to be in areas -where it's majority Native Blacks -- and have no immigrants in general.

I grew up in Michigan. It's Black Natives, Whites, Mexicans and a sprinkle of Arabs. Our neighborhoods are Black.
 

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It's not that I try to paint a "narrative" -- it's the truth. It's not being rude, shady or trying to be funny - or make anyone feel any type of way.

Immigrants in general -- live in certain areas of this country. Certain cities and areas.

Many states/cities have a very low amount of Black immigrants -- and if they are even there -- they aren't in Black American neighborhoods - point blank.

Yes, D.C., NY, NJ, Houston is very mixed with Black Natives and Black immigrants -- but my point is traditional Black communities -- that have been existence for generations -- tend to be in areas -where it's majority Native Blacks -- and have no immigrants in general.

I grew up in Michigan. It's Black Natives, Whites, Mexicans and a sprinkle of Arabs. Our neighborhoods are Black.

fair enough.
 

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this is a pretty limiting view on black parents


Did you go to an HBCU? And if not, was it to get away from black people?
It's not a limiting view its true. If it weren't true then we would not be having these discussions for 50 years.
i graduated college in 2008. I didn't go to college for engineering based on racial demographics I went based on finances and my future.
Aren't the top HBCU's named after white people? Why are you bringing up college when we are talking about k-12?
 

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It's not a limiting view its true. If it weren't true then we would not be having these discussions for 50 years.
i graduated college in 2008. I didn't go to college for engineering based on racial demographics I went based on finances and my future.
Aren't the top HBCU's named after white people? Why are you bringing up college when we are talking about k-12?

So you went to a PWI school based on finances and your future, but any black person who sends their kid to a private school (PW or otherwise) is doing so to get away from black people?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, i just think you don't afford other black people the same leeway you give to yourself.


However, i'm sure there are certain cases where you are right.
 

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I couldn't really knock envy when he described the school. 8 to a classroom, teaching entrepreneurship. It would be hard to pass that up if you could afford it.

But even so, I wouldn't send my child there if they were going to be the token, or one of 2 or 3 in the entire school. Mike was absolutely correct in that it's more important to come out of an educational environment confident and with a strong sense of self-worth.

Plus envy isn't Black so you couldn't really expect him to understand.
 

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It's not a limiting view its true. If it weren't true then we would not be having these discussions for 50 years.
i graduated college in 2008. I didn't go to college for engineering based on racial demographics I went based on finances and my future.
Aren't the top HBCU's named after white people?


Yes. Due to the history of this country. They were started by the Freedman's Bureau. It's not like they were like hey -- name our schools after white folks!

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Historically black colleges and universities (HBCU), institutions of higher education in the United States founded prior to 1964 for African American students. The term was created by the Higher Education Act of 1965, which expanded federal funding for colleges and universities.

The first HBCUs were founded in Pennsylvania and Ohio before the American Civil War (1861–65) with the purpose of providing black youths—who were largely prevented, due to racial discrimination, from attending established colleges and universities—with a basic education and training to become teachers or tradesmen. The Institute for Colored Youth (briefly the African Institute at its founding) opened on a farm outside Philadelphia in 1837. It is today Cheyney University of Pennsylvania, which is part of the Pennsylvania State System of Higher Education. The Ashmun Institute, also located near Philadelphia, provided theological training as well as basic education from its founding in 1854. It became Lincoln University in 1866 in honour of U.S. Pres. Abraham Lincoln and was private until 1972. The oldest private HBCU in the U.S. was founded in 1856, when the Methodist Episcopal Church opened Wilberforce University in Tawawa Springs (present-day Wilberforce), Ohio, as a coeducational institution for blacks who had escaped slavery in the South through the Underground Railroad. It closed in 1862 but reincorporated in 1863 under the auspices of the African Methodist Episcopal Church (AME), a historically African American Methodist denomination.

Following the end of the Civil War and the abolition of slavery, HBCUs were founded throughout the South with support from the Freedmen’s Bureau, a federal organization that operated during Reconstruction to help former slaves adjust to freedom. Such institutions as Atlanta University (1865; now Clark Atlanta University), Howard University, and Morehouse College (1867; originally the Augusta Institute) provided a liberal arts education and trained students for careers as teachers or ministers and missionaries, while others focused on preparing students for industrial or agricultural occupations. Some institutions, such as Morehouse, were all-male schools. Others, such as Spelman College(1924; originally founded in 1881 as Atlanta Baptist Female Seminary), were all-female. Most, however, were coeducational.

The growth of HBCUs spurred controversy among prominent African Americans in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Some critics noted that many HBCUs, particularly those existing in the years immediately following the Civil War, were founded by whites, many of whom had negative preconceptions of the social, cultural, and intellectual capabilities of blacks. As blacks were generally barred, particularly in the South, from established institutions, critics questioned whether separate schools in fact hindered efforts toward social and economic equality with whites.

Another issue was whether vocational training or a more classically “intellectual” education would best serve the interests of African Americans. Booker T. Washington, an exemplary supporter of vocational training, founded the Tuskegee Institute (1881; now Tuskegee University), which emphasized agricultural and industrial education. Like the Hampton Normal and Industrial Institute (1868; now Hampton University), Tuskegee served as a model for several subsequent HBCUs that organized under an 1890 amendment to the Land-Grant College Act of 1862 that promoted the creation of African American land-grant colleges. The most prominent exponent of an intellectual approach was the Harvard University-trained sociologist W.E.B. Du Bois, who argued for the necessity of cultivating a “talented tenth” of well-educated community leaders. Even as this debate continued, the institutionalization of racial segregation both within and outside the South made it even more difficult for black students to study anywhere other than in HBCUs until the desegregation efforts of the mid-20th century.

In the early 21st century there were more than 100 HBCUs in the United States, predominantly in the South. While some were two-year schools, many offered four years of study. Some maintained a vocational focus, while others had developed into major research institutions. Also, while several HBCUs continued to have predominantly African American student bodies, others no longer did.



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If I got money, my kid ain't going to a school that was like the one Joe Clark ran if I can help it. I don't give a damn who name is on it. End up as food.
 

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So you went to a PWI school based on finances and your future, but any black person who sends their kid to a private school (PW or otherwise) is doing so to get away from black people?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, i just think you don't afford other black people the same leeway you give to yourself.


However, i'm sure there are certain cases where you are right.

I see you didn't address the fact that the top HBCU's are named after racist white people lol? HBCU's are owned by white people as well so what's your point?
BLACK PEOPLE WANTED INTEGRATION. We wanted to go to where all the white people went to school because they had "better education". That's when white people started making their own little private schools to get away from black people that were integrating their white only public schools and then sucked all the funding out of the public schools.
Black people then figured that private schools were better because of what I just said.
So yes what I said is historically accurate.

Now we stand today arguing about schools, businesses, etc because black people have realized that integration was a bad idea.

I could've went to a $40k/year private high school but I didn't because I didn't want my parents struggling financially for what I saw to be no reason. I don't know their motive behind wanting me to go to this school but I assume its because of "better education".
The school was of course majority white. They were the ones that brought up this school when I was in 8th grade. And yes they said it was up to me. It was the craziest school I ever saw it had more than your average university.
 
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You can tell how took history and who didn't.

Black people did not want Integration -- they were cool with Separate but Equal -- and they wanted to be safe and protected.

The issue was Whites did not uphold the Separate but Equal rules. And they didn't want to give Blacks areas, schools, etc funding -- or make them equal so therefore -- they allowed Integration. Black people were cool with being separate.

It was way more Black people fighting against integration than FOR integration. They don't teach that -- because it goes against the narrative of we wanted to be with the whites.

In practice the separate facilities provided to African Americans were rarely equal; usually they were not even close to equal, or they did not exist at all. For example, according to the 1934–36 report of the Florida Superintendent of Public Instruction, the value of "white school property" in the state was $70,543,000, while the value of African-American school property was $4,900,000. The report says that "in a few south Florida counties and in most north Florida counties many Negro schools are housed in churches, shacks, and lodges, and have no toilets, water supply, desks, blackboards, etc. [See Station One School.] Counties use these schools as a means to get State funds and yet these counties invest little or nothing in them." At that time, high school education for African Americans was provided in only 28 of Florida's 67 counties.[2]

The doctrine of "separate but equal" was overturned by a series of Supreme Court decisions, starting with Brown v. Board of Education of 1954. However, the overturning of segregation laws in the United States was a long process that lasted through much of the 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s, involving federal legislation (especially the Civil Rights Act of 1964), and many court cases.​


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Black teachers and principals became nervous about the new tactics because they believed that the jobs of all black teachers--not just those who were activists--would be threatened by the closing of separate schools. Given the tortured history of race relations in the South, they knew that whites would not tolerate a situation in which black teachers, especially black male teachers, taught white children, and white girls in particular. If the school systems merged, and all-black schools disappeared, black teachers and administrators might be out of work. In 1953, the superintendent of the Topeka school board--correctly anticipating the Brown decision--refused to renew the contract of a black teacher because, as he said, "the majority of people in Topeka will not want to employ Negro teachers next year for white children." One black teacher said that when cases were brought for integration, "the Negro teachers are cut adrift without any consideration." The black community thus welcomed the Brown ruling with a degree of ambivalence.

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I was actually gonna watch that killer mike interview.
Got 5 minutes in and refused to watch the rest after this idiot bigged up the mafia and said black people should aspire to be like them.
How about black people aspire to be law abiding citizens with clean hearts not italian criminal filthy low moral mobsters.
And hes a god damn fool for giving himself the name killer mike as well.
 
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