It's cool to hate on Dwight around here
Kobe has two numbers retired: T-Mac has 0
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Was THE man on a Magic squad that went to the finals, beating a 60+ win Bron-led squad en route.
If T-Mac is in, Dwight is a LOCK
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Kobe: first player to have two numbers retired on same team
Orlando: first team to have two players retired to the same number
Orlando: first team to have two players retired to the same number
AJtheOne
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In his peak he was great but I'm still surprised T-Mac got in the HOF so quick.
Its not fair to compare him to Kobe tho breh.
Its not fair to compare him to Kobe tho breh.
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I mean I guess by default. He was basically the most "dominant" big man of his respective era.
Ill always remember him for his limited post moves (and never expanding his repertoire despite working with HOF Legends)
Oh and Kobe dunking his nuts on his face 
Bilz
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I mean I guess by default. He was basically the most "dominant" big man of his respective era.
Ill always remember him for his limited post moves (and never expanding his repertoire despite working with HOF Legends)
Oh and Kobe dunking his nuts on his face
The obsession with his perceived lack of offense has really led to him being underrated. He was a monster on defense and rebounding and he could score 15-20 pts as well.
intra vires
Glory to Michigan
Why? By the numbers and accolades CP3 > T-Mac. By team success CP3 > T-Mac. Whatever reservations people have about T-Mac's status as HOFer are irrelevant to Paul's case.
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Come on breh, quit being contrarian for the sake of "e-beef". He didnt have a great set of reliable post moves. Yes he could score 15-20, but it wasn't with interior offensive skill. It was mostly pick and rolls and alley oops.
But yeah I agree he was a poor mans dennis rodman. Albeit taller.
Bilz
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If he had no offensive moves, fouling him when he had the ball would have been pointless. They could have played him straight up and waited for him to miss.
There was a stupid expectation that he needed to be Shaq on offense and he wasn't. Neither was anyone else. Still a lock for HOF by pretty much any measure.
No.
In T-Mac's prime, he was a top 3 player in the league and could be a difference-maker and closer in tight games. Dude averaged 32, 7, 6, 5 on 46% shooting in his prime and from 2001-2003 was just as good a (if not a better) 2 guard than KOBE (rings aside). He also dropped 13 points in 33 fukking seconds.
The big knock on T-Mac's career is that he never made it far in the playoffs. And who the fukk could take an injured Grant Hill, a washed up Shawn Kemp, and old ass Darrell fukking Armstrong far in the playoffs. The fact that the Magic made it to the playoffs at all with that Magic roster is a minor miracle. And in Houston, he took an injured Yao Ming, an old Dikembe and a bunch of nobodies to the playoffs. Neither the Magic nor the Rockets were built to win it all. Additionally, the only thing that stopped him from killing it in the playoffs were injuries, not only to him but his teammates as well. Y'all have to remember that he had Grant Hill AND Yao Ming as teammates. If he was healthy, his teammates probably weren't.
You could also argue that the same knock on T-Mac's career apply in CP0's case. Unlike McGrady, however, Paul has played with deep, star-studded squads that were supposed contenders. Yet has has been unable (and still cannot) get past the 2nd round in the playoffs. Besides having nowhere near the athleticism of T-Mac, CP0 goes MIA in the clutch or make game-losing TOs, playoffs included.
Thus, if you knock T-Mac for not being able to achieve in the playoffs (despite having lesser squads and more injuries), you HAVE to knock CP0 for failing to achieve in the playoffs despite having great stars.
intra vires
Glory to Michigan
Yes. If you want to scrutinize Paul more because he's a better player than McGrady fine. If you want to say Paul underachieved more than McGrady I don't disagree. However, you're talking about Paul deserving more scrutiny regard HOFer status and that makes no sense:
- Playoff Appearances: 9 each (although 76-50 Paul for games played)
- All-Star 9-7: Paul
- All NBA 1st Team: 4-2 Paul
- All NBA Selections: 8-7 Paul
- All Defensive 1st Team: 7-0 Paul
- All Defensive Selections: 9-0
- Scoring Leader: 0-2 McGrady
- Assist Leader: 4-0 Paul
- Steals Leader: 6-0 Paul
- ROY: 1-0 Paul
- Gold Medals: 2-0 Paul (unless you count FIBA)
You talk about Orlando as of Paul didn't have it bad in New Orleans. Tyson Chandler and David West were nobodies before playing with Paul. He elevated that franchise to more success than any of McGrady's stops, despite playing in a stronger conference (or the same; Houston).
Regarding Yao, you do realize that he played 96 more regular season game and 3 more playoff games than McGrady during their time together? Also the most success the team had during that time was the season where Ming was clearly the first option; it was the only time they made it out of the first round (McGrady didn't even play that post season). You're clearly underselling Yao's contributions.
Paul never played on a deep team. I know you're not inferring New Orleans so lets go straight LA. Under Rivers Clippers were 4 quality starters and weak bench. Crawford had a couple of good seasons, but he doesn't play defense at all and is too small to really play SF next to JJ. Not to mention during this time, having Blake and Jordan wouldn't constitute as deep given every other contender had at least 2.5 high-end players. That would be like saying Houston was deep with Yao, McGrady, and solid role players when every other contender had at least the same amount of talent.
The rest of the stuff doesn't matter to me. I rate Paul higher than McGrady, therefore; I'm more critical of him (Paul). The collapse during the Houston series is inexcusable and in general the media has been too lenient of him, while picking on someone like Melo. He's supposed to be a top 3 PG of all time, but he lacks the rings and more importantly finals appearances. McGrady isn't chasing that type of clout regardless if you want to classify him as a SG or SF.
So again, if you want to say Paul's a bigger underachiever than McGrady fine, but that has nothing to do with either's worthiness of the HOF.
Regarding Yao, you do realize that he played 96 more regular season game and 3 more playoff games than McGrady during their time together? Also the most success the team had during that time was the season where Ming was clearly the first option; it was the only time they made it out of the first round (McGrady didn't even play that post season). You're clearly underselling Yao's contributions.
Paul never played on a deep team. I know you're not inferring New Orleans so lets go straight LA. Under Rivers Clippers were 4 quality starters and weak bench. Crawford had a couple of good seasons, but he doesn't play defense at all and is too small to really play SF next to JJ. Not to mention during this time, having Blake and Jordan wouldn't constitute as deep given every other contender had at least 2.5 high-end players. That would be like saying Houston was deep with Yao, McGrady, and solid role players when every other contender had at least the same amount of talent.
The rest of the stuff doesn't matter to me. I rate Paul higher than McGrady, therefore; I'm more critical of him (Paul). The collapse during the Houston series is inexcusable and in general the media has been too lenient of him, while picking on someone like Melo. He's supposed to be a top 3 PG of all time, but he lacks the rings and more importantly finals appearances. McGrady isn't chasing that type of clout regardless if you want to classify him as a SG or SF.
So again, if you want to say Paul's a bigger underachiever than McGrady fine, but that has nothing to do with either's worthiness of the HOF.
Supreme365
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Tmac didn't stay with one team long enough. His # should be retired by the league as a whole
fukk is you smoking
he wasn't even the best to wear number 1
Supreme365
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I just think it's crazy that tmac got in 1st ballot yet cwebb still isn't in
Chris Paul was better.
Bilz
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TMac >>>>>>>>> Webber