So let me get this straight Lakers could win 50 games without Shaq and Kobe, but with Kobe they couldn't win 50 games? Lakers were a talented team before signing Shaq and trading for Kobe. Yet somehow they stayed the same. Shaq over Divac should've made them instant champs, but it didn't. Shaq bytched and moaned and got Van Exel booted. nikkas had to overhaul the whole roster for Shaq to win, bring im Savvy vets like Horace Grant, Ron Harper, Glen Rice and the emergence of Kobe is what got Shaq his ring, but Kobe is supposed to win with Chris Mihm, Somalie Saske, Tierre Brown, Chucky Atkins, Smush Parker, Jumaine Jones. Cleveland teams were built like Philly they knew and accepted their roles and besides that the east been shyt for damn near 25 years.