Kobe v. T-Mac in the early 2000s

[malbaker86]

Finley and Eddie Jones??

Finley use to be that dude bruh

 

[labelplant]

Dude at the point teams refused to run the break and coaches ran down the clock dry every possession and when players tried to drive they would get forearmed. All u saw was pull up 18 footers.
38 year old Karl Malone was still a top 10 player in the league.
It was Def a transition Era between LeBron and jordan. Sorry shaq and Duncan but the league was not as talented or as fun to watch. 7 game first round have made the regulnar season useless and if you aren't a contender you're probably tanking nowadays but the league is as talent filled as ever outside maybe the early 90s, teams are shooting 3s more than ever, coaches are letting guys run and the whole hand checking rules thing is quite exaggerated in my opinion.
The worst Era in NBA is obviously pre-bill Russell, all cac ball but since the 80s the post jordan 5 or so seasons are the worst

 

[The Goodz]

Finley use to be that dude bruh

he became in 2000

 

[mastermind]

Dude at the point teams refused to run the break and coaches ran down the clock dry every possession and when players tried to drive they would get forearmed. All u saw was pull up 18 footers.
38 year old Karl Malone was still a top 10 player in the league.
It was Def a transition Era between LeBron and jordan. Sorry shaq and Duncan but the league was not as talented or as fun to watch. 7

the problem with brehs stanning is that they dont know what they are talking about, like this post.

This era you are talking about took place DURING the Jordan years. Pretty much from 92 until like 2005 when the Suns came to ball. The NBA was a slow and plodding game because coaches got egos too large (Riley is a great example) and the talent was too thin.

 

[malbaker86]

he became in 2000

that's messed up bruh

 

[The_Third_Man]

Finley and Eddie Jones??

why not?

Finley was averaging 21-22 ppg, 6 and 5 and was great clutch player

Eddie Jones was averaging 20, 4, 4 and 2 steals per game

 

[mrken12]

I was a big T Mac fan back then. It's a shame what those injuries did to him. I thought he was going to be Kobe level.

 

[labelplant]

the problem with brehs stanning is that they dont know what they are talking about, like this post.

This era you are talking about took place DURING the Jordan years. Pretty much from 92 until like 2005 when the Suns came to ball. The NBA was a slow and plodding game because coaches got egos too large (Riley is a great example) and the talent was too thin.

The game began to slow down with Riley joining the Knicks in the mid 90s, but back than you had a lot more elite talent ato their prime, and of course Jordan himself. To be honest adding the 2 Canadian franchises is what diluted the game imo and when it became to hit a low point but just the thrill of watching mj in his final seasons with the bulls added enough "umph" to still keep the league entertaining among other things, when he left, than the lock out hit and the pace further slowed down, that made it very boring. I mean of course I loved Lakers come back vs blazers in game 7, Iverson stepping over ty lue, kings Vs lakers etc but I rarely wanna go back and watch game from that era. Spurs vs Nets finals was horrible. Now Jordans first 3 peat with the bulls or the late 80s, there was so many great series, games and teams. Even the mid 90s, the eastearn conference every series seemed wildly competitive and entertaining. 00s - I don't wanna watch Stackhouse led pistons vs iverson. 2 physical defensive clubs with a guy on each team forcing up 20 footers.
It all depends I guess, nostalgia plays a part, and some people I guess prefer physical bball plus it's not like it was SOOOO clearly bad. But in my opinion, it was easily the worst time for the NBA since magic and bird came in to the league or maybe even the nba/aba merger

 

[mastermind]

The game began to slow down with Riley joining the Knicks in the mid 90s, but back than you had a lot more elite talent ato their prime, and of course Jordan himself. To be honest adding the 2 Canadian franchises is what diluted the game imo and when it became to hit a low point but just the thrill of watching mj in his final seasons with the bulls added enough "umph" to still keep the league entertaining among other things, when he left, than the lock out hit and the pace further slowed down, that made it very boring. I mean of course I loved Lakers come back vs blazers in game 7, Iverson stepping over ty lue, kings Vs lakers etc but I rarely wanna go back and watch game from that era. Spurs vs Nets finals was horrible. Now Jordans first 3 peat with the bulls or the late 80s, there was so many great series, games and teams. Even the mid 90s, the eastearn conference every series seemed wildly competitive and entertaining. 00s - I don't wanna watch Stackhouse led pistons vs iverson. 2 physical defensive clubs with a guy on each team forcing up 20 footers.
It all depends I guess, nostalgia plays a part, and some people I guess prefer physical bball plus it's not like it was SOOOO clearly bad. But in my opinion, it was easily the worst time for the NBA since magic and bird came in to the league or maybe even the nba/aba merger

You probably had the same amount of elite players in the 90s as you did in the early 2000s. Go through it, you had Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, Carter, AI, and others. There were more bigs in the 90s, but there were more wing players in the early 2000s.

You can talk all you want about the MJ excitement, but I got to watch the Bullets play the Bucks. A Cavs vs. Knicks game should have never made it on television during that era.


And the 90s eastern conference was not competitive. Its a sice because of MJ hysteria but it absolutely was not.

The dilution of the product started in 1988, 6 teams in 8 years lead to a terrible stretch for the league along with a lot of hyped up first rounders not panning out.

 

[labelplant]

You probably had the same amount of elite players in the 90s as you did in the early 2000s. Go through it, you had Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, Carter, AI, and others. There were more bigs in the 90s, but there were more wing players in the early 2000s.

You can talk all you want about the MJ excitement, but I got to watch the Bullets play the Bucks. A Cavs vs. Knicks game should have never made it on television during that era.


And the 90s eastern conference was not competitive. Its a sice because of MJ hysteria but it absolutely was not.

The dilution of the product started in 1988, 6 teams in 8 years lead to a terrible stretch for the league along with a lot of hyped up first rounders not panning out.

There was a few guys not panning out but the 84/85 drafts provided enough to overcome that.
The dilution may have began in 88 but watching basketball from the late 8th and early 90 certainly doesn't show that. Sure the weaker teams were no good as always and if you weren't a bulls fan you were upset at the end of every season but the basketball being played was great. This was the best Era for centers without a doubt, Barkley was like a runaway train out there, magic ws i his prime til he caught the bug, every year a new guy would come out to challenge jordan (drexler, penny, grant hill etc). Pacers and Knicks had an incredibly heated and close series every season it seems like. Than the heat and Knicks started going at it. Magic were Hella fun with penny and shaq, in the early 90s the Blazers were as good as anyone but just couldn't get over that hump.There were some great suns and cavs squads, Seattle dominated regular season year and out only to get upset on the playoffs, until they finally made the finals against maybe the greatest team ever. Of course this is all like 88-97, that's a bit of a longer stretch than 99-04 but never the less, that's my favorite Era for basketball to this day. I actually believe the league has more overall talent now than ever, but talent plus exciting games playoff series, rivalries etc... there is no beating the Jordan era, even if he did win it almost every year... also I gotta say, there was no hand checking rules back than but basketball wasn't as physical until the bad boy pistons and than Riley took it to the next level with the knicks, hand checking rules were made in response to teams of that sort slowing the game down and taking away from exciting offensive plays.

 

[mastermind]

There was a few guys not panning out but the 84/85 drafts provided enough to overcome that.
The dilution may have began in 88 but watching basketball from the late 8th and early 90 certainly doesn't show that. Sure the weaker teams were no good as always and if you weren't a bulls fan you were upset at the end of every season but the basketball being played was great. This was the best Era for centers without a doubt, Barkley was like a runaway train out there, magic ws i his prime til he caught the bug, every year a new guy would come out to challenge jordan (drexler, penny, grant hill etc). Pacers and Knicks had an incredibly heated and close series every season it seems like. Than the heat and Knicks started going at it. Magic were Hella fun with penny and shaq, in the early 90s the Blazers were as good as anyone but just couldn't get over that hump.There were some great suns and cavs squads, Seattle dominated regular season year and out only to get upset on the playoffs, until they finally made the finals against maybe the greatest team ever. Of course this is all like 88-97, that's a bit of a longer stretch than 99-04 but never the less, that's my favorite Era for basketball to this day. I actually believe the league has more overall talent now than ever, but talent plus exciting games playoff series, rivalries etc... there is no beating the Jordan era, even if he did win it almost every year... also I gotta say, there was no hand checking rules back than but basketball wasn't as physical until the bad boy pistons and than Riley took it to the next level with the knicks, hand checking rules were made in response to teams of that sort slowing the game down and taking away from exciting offensive plays.

right, you are looking at things from a nostalgia perspective.

 

[mbewane]

You probably had the same amount of elite players in the 90s as you did in the early 2000s. Go through it, you had Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, Carter, AI, and others. There were more bigs in the 90s, but there were more wing players in the early 2000s.

You can talk all you want about the MJ excitement, but I got to watch the Bullets play the Bucks. A Cavs vs. Knicks game should have never made it on television during that era.


And the 90s eastern conference was not competitive. Its a sice because of MJ hysteria but it absolutely was not.

The dilution of the product started in 1988, 6 teams in 8 years lead to a terrible stretch for the league along with a lot of hyped up first rounders not panning out.

Knicks (92-99), Pacers (94-99), Heat (second half of the 90s), Hornets (LJ-Mourning era), Magic (Shaq-Penny era) were all competitive, the Hawks too were wining 50 games regularly. It's not because they were not beating the Bulls (who was?) that the East was not competitive.

 

[mastermind]

Knicks (92-99), Pacers (94-99), Heat (second half of the 90s), Hornets (LJ-Mourning era), Magic (Shaq-Penny era) were all competitive, the Hawks too were wining 50 games regularly. It's not because they were not beating the Bulls (who was?) that the East was not competitive.

well thats why its not compeitive

if you have different tams taking Ls to the same team, and that team changing every few years, its not competitive. The West was competitive until all of the teams got old.

 

[labelplant]

right, you are looking at things from a nostalgia perspective.

Not necessarily because 00-04, I was 13-17. I've seen hundreds of games on tape and on youtube from late 80s, early 90s.. but I was much too young to seriously watch sports back than

 

[labelplant]

Knicks (92-99), Pacers (94-99), Heat (second half of the 90s), Hornets (LJ-Mourning era), Magic (Shaq-Penny era) were all competitive, the Hawks too were wining 50 games regularly. It's not because they were not beating the Bulls (who was?) that the East was not competitive.

Plus most yearS there'd be a team that took the bulls to 7 games