Kodiak bear vs African lion

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  1. Miggs

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    No Rhino ever died from a single lion attack lol....furthermore a single male wouldnt even attempt it...
     
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    Says who?
     
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    common sense....until i see the video it didnt happen.

    Every video ive ever seen of lion prides even attempting a rhino ended after a few minutes...Ive seen clips of them bringing down an elephant but no rhinos...

    Rhinos got that body armor plus they weigh 2-3 tonnes and got that ginsu on they nose,they aint dying from nothing but old age or poaching...
     
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    who said lions would beat a Tiger? i can't see that one. Tigers are too big
     
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    Theres only a few thousand of them left, and the ones that are alive are usually protected by anti poachers, so its not like lions can feast on the regularly. If there were as much rhinos as their usual prey, we would be seeing more conflicts.

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    Johan August Wahlberg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    On the other hand, the Swedish naturalist, Wahlberg, once had an opportunity of watching several lions attack a rhino. The fight was terrible, and finally the big beast succumbed to the aggressors. Recently a fight between two male lions and a rhino took place near the camp and a rhino took place near the camp of Ol Tukai in the Amboseli Reserve. The Game Warden, Major. W. H. M. Taberer, knew this rhino very well and had always had the impression that it was on friendly terms with the pride of lions inhabiting the same area. In fact, he had on several occasions seen it drinking surrounded by the lions. Then, in November 1957, when there was very little game in the Ol Tukai area, Taberer one night heard terrible squeals. He immediately jumped into his Land Rover and went to have a look. The beam of his car lights soon revealed an awful sight: the poor camp rhino had been brought down by two male lions which now lay on it and attacked it with teeth and claws. The Game Warden succeeded in chasing the two attackers off, but he presently realized that the rhino could not be saved.


    Lions and tigers are mega fauna hunters, lions also hunt elephant something that dwarfs rhinos.
     
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    Kinda hard to take you serious:

    - Lions are 1-2 feet taller than tigers
    - Lions have bigger heads
    - Lions have the longer arms and bigger shoulders
    - Are twice as big in size and frame
    - Heavier on average
    - The smallest lion has over a 100 kg over the smallest tiger
    - The lion can hit any weights the tiger can
    - Siberian tigers average 173 kg
    - Including sunderban region, bengals average less than 150 kg





    pt28, adult male tiger 7 years of age october, 16, 1998. weight: 200 kg.
    pt22, adult male tiger 6 years of age, 3, 1999. weight: 126 kg.
    pt82, adult male tiger 12 - 16 years of age, october, 26, 2006. weight: 180 kg.
    pt84, adult male tiger 5 - 6 years of age, november, 10, 2006. weight: 179 kg.
    pt16, adult male 7 - 8 years of age 14 - 16 february, 1998. weight: 198. kg.
    pt20, adult male tiger 9 - 11 years of age march 1998, weight then 170 kg.
    pt9, adult male tiger 4 - 5 years of age november 10, 1993. weight then (175 kg).
    pt12, adult male tiger 6 - 7 years of age, november 1, 1995. weight: 200 kg).


    data from;
    http://www.nfwf.org/Content/ContentFolders2/SavetheTigerFund/Grants/1998/1998-0093-056.01.pdf

    3 males captured
    http://www.greenkorea.org/zb/data/r..._of_Amur_Tigers_&_Leopards_in_SW_Primorye.pdf

    2 males captured
    http://www.nfwf.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Home&CONTENTID=8740&TEMPLATE=/CM/ContentDisplay.cfm

    2 males captured
    http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/weightoftigers-1-1.jpg
    http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/weightoftigers2-1.jpg

    2 males captured
    a healthy, 385 lb male siberian

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    At the same time the largest skulls of lion are only slightly bigger than the largest skulls of tiger.
    Mammals of the Soviet Union, Volume 2 Part 2 Carnivora (Hyenas and Cats)

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    Heres the worlds largest tiger at 857 lbs, in terms of body size, I've seen 300-400 lb lions as large as this:
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    Nalla (400 lbs) and Detonator (600 lbs) Lioness still taller than male tiger:
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    Alex kerr:
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    Lion in the back much taller than tigers next to him:
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    Same again here, tiger in the back shorter than lions even with the lion on a lower pedestal:
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    Upper body larger than tigers:
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    Lions are the tallest big cats on average and at max:

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    The lion is higher at the shoulder but shorter in the body than the tiger
    https://books.google.com/books?id=ZP7fAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA199&d q=%22lion%22+%22tiger%22+%22shor ter%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCwQ6AEwB GoVChMIvZ28jMSOxgIVSouSCh3QywAn# v=onepage&q=%22lion%22%20%22tige r%22%20%22shorter%22&f=false

    The Asiatic lion in India is shorter in length than the Indian tiger, but slightly taller in shoulder height
    https://books.google.com/books?id=J0rME6RjC1sC&pg=PA110&d q=%22lion%22+%22tiger%22+%22shor ter%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CEMQ6AEwC GoVChMIvZ28jMSOxgIVSouSCh3QywAn# v=onepage&q=%22lion%22%20%22tige r%22%20%22shorter%22&f=false

    His body is longer and more slender than that of the lion, and his legs shorter,
    https://books.google.com/books?id=8BJFAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA50&dq =%22lion%22+%22tiger%22+%22short er%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CC8Q6AEwBD goahUKEwi2r6WBx47GAhWFOpIKHbK5AJ k#v=onepage&q=%22lion%22%20%22ti ger%22%20%22shorter%22&f=false

    The second is the tiger, rather longer than the lion, but not so tall
    https://books.google.com/books?id=NyoqAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA43&dq =%22lion%22+%22tiger%22+%22short er%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBj goahUKEwi2r6WBx47GAhWFOpIKHbK5AJ k#v=onepage&q=%22lion%22%20%22ti ger%22%20%22shorter%22&f=false

    The tiger stands lower on the limbs than the lion, and is thus proportionately longer in the body
    https://books.google.com/books?id=klIjAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA374&d q=%22lion%22+%22longer%22+%22tig er%22+limbs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CBwQ 6AEwAWoVChMIi6-DvseOxgIVh36SCh0jqACs#v=onepage& q=%22lion%22%20%22longer%22%20%2 2tiger%22%20limbs&f=false

    Bigger is better A lion and tiger are almost equal in size.Tigers have longer
    bodies than lions, but they are not as tall
    https://books.google.com/books?id=v92FTWrCTvwC&pg=PT6&dq= %22lion%22+%22longer%22+%22tiger %22+legs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CBQQ6AE wAGoVChMItKnj-MiOxgIViX6SCh2X0QB4#v=onepage&q= %22lion%22%20%22longer%22%20%22t iger%22%20legs&f=false

    but the lion stands higher at the shoulder than the tiger.
    https://books.google.com/books?id=c7gRAQAAMAAJ&q=%22lion% 22+%22tiger%22+%22stands+higher% 22&dq=%22lion%22+%22tiger%22+%22 stands+higher%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved= 0CBQQ6AEwAGoVChMI3KjGrsuOxgIVAX6 SCh1-QQDw

    Aside from lions having relatively longer legs, it is virtually impossible to tell these two cats apart without their skins
    https://books.google.com/books?id=dbQ8AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA1&dq= %22lion%22+%22tiger%22+%22longer +legs%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CBcQ6AE wAWoVChMIofzI_8yOxgIVi12SCh0oaQF W#v=onepage&q=%22lion%22%20%22ti ger%22%20%22longer%20legs%22&f=f alse

    Although the lion is not our number 1 big cat, it is the tallest
    http://www.catsaroundtheglobe.com/to...ild-cats-list/

    Lions are largest of the African big cat species. The lion is the tallest of the felines
    http://webecoist.momtastic.com/2010/...cat-whisperer/

    The lion is part of the 4 big cats known as the genus Panthera, which includes ... It is the tallest of all known cats reaching a height of 5 feet 5 inches
    Lion | Africa's Big Cat

    Bengal tigers (panthera Tigris Tigris) are smaller than the Siberian tigers. A male
    stands between 2 and 3 feet tall at the shoulder.
    The Shambala Preserve presented by The Roar Foundation

    Can you show me tigers in the wild weighing heavier than these...

    Finally when I had lost consciousness one of the party sneaked up and placed the muzzle of his gun at the lions ear and let her go killing him instantly I was three months recovering and then three of my ribs were crushed and this arm was a reminder The lion weighed 900 pounds and measured over seven feet
    The Salt Lake Herald from Salt Lake City, Utah · Page 1

    East African Business Digest - Page 13

    TWO mamuding lions which, since January this year, killed 244 cattle and three donkeys, were shot at lssuna village in Tanganyika. The lions were found to weigh 700 and 800 lb.
    https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbm=bks&q="TWO+mamu ding+lions+which,+since+January+ this+year,+killed+244+cattle+and +three+donkeys,+were+shot+at+lss una+village+in+Tanganyika.+The+l ions+were+found+to+weigh+700+and +800+lb."&oq="TWO+mamuding+lions +which,+since+January+this+year, +killed+244+cattle+and+three+don keys,+were+shot+at+lssuna+villag e+in+Tanganyika.+The+lions+were+ found+to+weigh+700+and+800+lb."& gs_l=serp.3...637200.642782.0.64 2982.3.3.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0.. .1c.1j2.64.serp..3.0.0.HJFY1GLZ-m8

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    Again the weights being quoted around the web is not from any officials who are actually weighing these animals, there is only around 300 siberian tigers in the wild, hence almost all of them were already weighed, you cant have a population that averaged 173 kg and maybe the one or two that hasnt been weighed be all of a sudden 3x the weight of the largest tiger they weighed. You have no sources that say a tiger went pass 270 kg and actually drop a biologist name: The same wild life conservationist statement:
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    Lion would get his ass whooped
     
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    There are over 1,000 records of lions killing giraffe, buffalo, hippo, and eland, all 4,000+ pound animals...why is it you cant even show 10 accounts of brown bears killing just bison, who are about half the weight and sizes of those animals lions kill. A bear is no where near the capability's of a lion, the bear cant even jump 5 feet, a lion can clear 40 feet, a bear cant even jump 2 feet up, a lion can easily jump 8 feet up, this means the lion can get at the bear in more ways than vice versa

    The athletics here is ridiculously out gunned. If the bear was getting thew worse of the fight, he cant even run, lions catch cheetahs, if the bear began running off the lion would easily catch him and tear him apart.

    That site was written by a fan, who has never seen a lion or tiger in his life. You obviously didnt read the spoiler I just posted, a lion can be just about twice as big as a siberian tiger in size.
     
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    fukk that.

    Us tiger stans want a rematch with the lion:birdman:
     
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    The tiger has to get pass the leopard first:
    Leopard kills tiger

    Show me a single time a maned lion was killed by a leopard.
     
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    "But the Roman emperor was determined to try whether the Bengal tiger could fight the African lion, and martial records that the tigers and lions fought, and that the tigers always beat the lions."

    -The Medical Times and Gazzette (page 626)

    "A British officer, who resided many years at Sierra Leone, was repeatedly a spectator between the lion and tiger, in which the latter was universally victorious."

    -Tales of Travellers: or, a view of the world (page 453)

    "The lion is a less active animal than the tiger, and apparently not so powerful; in every case of a fight between the two occuring in a manegerie the tiger has invariably killed his opponent."

    -Big Game Shooting, volume 2 (page 195)

    "Lions and tigers have often been put together to fight, but the lion has invariably declined the combat. They have accidentally got into each other's cages, and the tiger has killed the lion."

    -A Handy Book Of Curious Information (page 497)

    "Fights between lions and tiger have been staged. The tiger always wins."

    -Impulse Archeology (page 257)

    "Occasional fights were also staged between lions and tigers (the tiger always won)"

    -Count Belisarius (page 51)

    "Finally, where encounters in captivity have taken place between the two species, the tiger has always been victorious."

    -Sport and wildlife in the Deccan (page 92)

    "George Stubbs, the most famous and original painter of his time who was just reaching his peak in 1759, liked to display combats of lion versus tiger, though he did not commit the engregious mistake made in James Ward's animal pictures where the lion symbolises Britain and the tiger India; in reality, as we know very clearly from the obscene animal fights staged by the Ancient Romans in the arena, the tiger would win such a fight every time."

    -1759: The Year Britain became Master of the World (page 163)

    "The fight of a lion and a tiger is a very one sided affair. In the days of the Roman games they had to choose a very small tiger and a particularly powerful lion."

    -An outspoken soldier; His views and memoirs (page 90)

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    Seen that one on wiki. Not all that much to brag about, a tiger will out box a lion in the first instance, but the source mentions nothing about the lions being killed. All prolonged fights show dead tigers.


    These three are citing the same incident, if you actually read the book, al say edmonds menagerie via charles jamrach...


    That account is on wiki too, it says the tiger killed 31 lions, heres the original records:
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    Charles Jamrach moved to London and took over that branch of the business after his father's death in circa 1840 A fine, full-grown Bengal tiger was deposited, in his rough wooden cage, on this very spot at the gates, having just been delivered from a ship in the docks. The lair at the back was being prepared for his reception, when, the attention of Mr. Jamrach and his merry men being otherwise engaged, Tigris regalis set his hindquarters against the back of his temporary receptacle, and, using all his strength, managed to burst out the boards12. Then he quietly trotted out, and down the main street. The sudden appearance of a full- sized tiger at midday on the pavement of Ratcliff- There are many things bought at the sale of the effects of the late king of Oude, an enthusiastic old gentleman whose allowance from the British Government was a lac of rupees a month, and who managed to spend it all, and more than all, on curiosities and works of art, so that his funeral was followed by a sale on behalf of his creditors11

    http://www.georgewombwell.com/articl...andArticle.pdf

    This tiger named by the King was called Jungla
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    http://newspapers.library.wales/view...55/3397558/10/


    This one was talking about a bar fight in mexico.


    Ha ha ha ha, this is a fictional book, it states right here in the middle in blue...Fiction:
    Count Belisarius



    Yet this joke hasnt a single tangible evidence that show they won more, like these...


    Translated, a important mosaic shows a lion attacking a tiger:

    https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&....0.yEYMBy-2WiA
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    http://www.romanoimpero.com/2010/01/pompei.html



    https://books.google.com/books?id=vt...0tiger&f=false


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    https://issuu.com/yournetsolution/do...7614e560f23d67

    a duplicate was found, that duplicate was sent to the museum in naples:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=eLMgAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA295&d q=house+of+the+faun+%22lion+stan ding+over+a+prostrate+tiger.%22& hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj4sbnK6YTL AhUI3mMKHepaDJwQ6AEIJDAB#v=onepa ge&q=house%20of%20the%20faun%20% 22lion%20standing%20over%20a%20p rostrate%20tiger.%22&f=false

    It states in this book, that the mosaico of the lion attacking the tiger, was sent to the naples museum:

    https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbm=bks&q=caecilius +secundus&spell=1&sa=X&ved=0ahUK Ewiwm4mP6oTLAhUM4mMKHUAJCcwQBQgb KAA#hl=en&tbm=bks&q=%22musaico+d i+un+leone+che+aitale+una+tigre+(a+Napoli).%22

    Only fragments were found of the mosaic in the room next to the exedra (plate 79:15), a scene with a lion bringing down a tiger
    https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbm=bks&q=%22a+scen e+with+a+lion+bringing+down+a+ti ger%22&oq=%22a+scene+with+a+lion +bringing+down+a+tiger%22&gs_l=s erp.3...5176.6415.0.6579.2.2.0.0 .0.0.131.256.0j2.2.0....0...1c.1 .64.serp..0.0.0.93AGHMNmMEc

    Hence this artifact is a replica restored of the house of faun:
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    "This Exhibition was organized by the Napoleonic authorities in the Capitol in Rome."
    http://www.galerieheim.ch/oeuvre-det...uvre=116&lng=2




    Its best to get things from the direct source or people who have credibility to answer such questions in their respective domains:

    Historian Ken spiro
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    “Next, the arena was lowered to feature combat between them as lions tore apart tigers, an went up against bears, croc’s leopards against wolves. It goes without saying that the Romans had never heard of animal rights.”

    ~M.A In History from The Vermont College of Norwich University
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    Many artifacts in the roman nation show that the lion is the usual winner:
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    Copper engraving by the well listed Italian artist Pietro Aquila (1650-1692 Rome). Pietro Aquila was an Italian painter and printmaker of the Baroque period. He was born in Palermo. He mentored his nephew, the printmaker Francesco Faraone Aquila.
    Pietro Aquila - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    (Carl Borromäus Andreas Ruthart)

    Died in Rome L’Aqulia Born in the Holy Roman Empire. of the German Nation, Carl Borromäus Andreas Ruthart travelled to Italy very early on. His trace can be found in Rome and Venice between 1652 and 1659. After finishing his apprenticeship, he came to work in Antwerp in order to perfect his knowledge.
    http://www.dejonckheere-gallery.com/...tml?m=1&id=152





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    A TIGER roaming for his prey,
    Sprang on a traveller in the way;
    A lion came to claim the prize
    And soon the greedy tiger dies.
    The man then knelt, his life to crave;
    His life the lion hero gave,
    And him bespoke,—" You saw the fight
    And must confess my power and might,
    Within these woods I reign alone,
    All other beasts my sway must own."
    "True," said the man, "the strength 1 saw, All kinds of beasts full well might awe,
    ~Aesop (pronounced /?i¢?s?p/ EE-sop, Ancient Greek

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    "I have seen no fiercer beast than yon lion, even in the amphitheatre of Rome,"

    http://books.google.com/books?id=DOw...ed=0CCMQ6AEwBA

    A Tiger, roaming for his prey,
    Sprung on a Traveller in the way;
    The prostrate game a lion spies,
    And on the greedy tyrant flies:
    With mingled roar resounds the wood,
    Their teeth, their claws, distil with blood;
    Till, vanquished by the Lion's strength,
    The striped foe extends his length.
    The Man besought the shaggy lord,
    And on his knees for life implor'd:
    His life the generous hero gave.
    Together walking to his cave,
    The Lion thus bespoke his guest:
    'What hardy beast shall dare contest My matchless strength? you saw the fight, And must attest my pow'r and right. Fore'd to forego their native home, My starving slaves at distance roam.
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    Even in modern rome, lions were still killing tigers:

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    LION AND TIGER FIGHT. - Newcastle Morning Herald and Miners' Advocate (NSW : 1876 - 1954) - 31 Oct 1930=




    Cool, so you got 3 times tigers have killed lions, on the first page the link shows over 60 times lions have killed tigers.

    60 > 3
     
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    Yeah, and everyone will read you cited a book that was in the fictional section, Count Belisarius says fiction...thats what happens when you dont read your own citings.
     
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