Kyrie doesn't get enough credit

[Darealtwo1]

A lot of analytics head think it's Horford team
I notice how involved Horford is when I watch the Celtics but it's hard to quantify things like positioning , spacing, hockey assists and other things that he does.

Because it is. Jeff Teague is fukking trash and Al Horford carried that ATL squad to 60 wins and #1 in the east

You just saw I.T do the exact same thing with Al Horford last year.

Jeff Teague, Dennis Schroder, and Isaiah Thomas would laugh at what OP said. They could do the exact same thing that Kyrie is doing with Al because they've both done it

 

[GOAT]

Because Isaiah did the exact same thing in Brad Stevens system last year but better

And he was a top 5 MVP candidate and 2nd team all-NBA. With a worse record. And had more veteran help and continuity.

Kyrie had a better year in Cleveland last year

Nope. Putting up better numbers this year in less minutes on higher efficiency. Leading a team to a better record than his team had last year with Lebron James and Kevin Love. He's having an immeasurably better year this year by every metric.

Celtics don't skip a beat when he doesn't play. They win just fine

Except for the fact that they have the worst offensive rating in the league without him, and a top 5 offensive rating with him. They've rested Kyrie in games against tanking teams, and have lost some of them. Their only noteworthy win without him was against Toronto in November.

Numbers with him without Al Horford is staggering and looks exactly like the numbers when Lebron sat

You mean the Celtics offense isn't good without 2nd best offensive player? Shocking revelation. As I said multiple times. Top 5 offense with Kyrie on the floor. Worst in the league without him. No one else on the team has anything close to that impact.

Nobody has ever called wack ass Kyle Lowry better than Kyrie EVER

Just last night nikkas were saying Lowry was better.

He's not better than La Heem Lillard

Better record, better numbers PER 36, more efficient. More Playoff success, younger, etc. What is the argument for Lillard being better?

So many guards have had better years than MVP rose


Kyrie year is not "arguable" better than Steph's MVP year. That's just a flat out lie.

The numbers are very comparable and Kyrie has much less around him.

Celtics win games because of Al Horford...Not Kyrie, he can be replaced with multiple guards and that team will not skip a beat.

Again, this is a laughably bad take. There is no way you watch Celtic games believing some shyt like that. Either that, or you're trolling. Either way, this line exposes your entire argument as being invalid. Horford hasn't even been at an all star level for the Celtics since like late December-January.

 

[Young Fab]

In what world does Kyrie "carried LeBron to a ring" Irving not get enough credit???

 

[GOAT]

You dont see it because ur lying to urself...talent is about even between the two teams...Norm Powell has been a non factor all year,he doesnt even play anymore.
Jonas is meh with a few good games sprinkled in same as Ibaka...DeRozans stats are bout the same as Kyries including advanced and thats with less usage...

Raptors continuity is 3 players and Ibaka who arrived last February...Again you dont want to see the case for him cuz youve convinced urself it doesnt exist.

Alot of people disagree with you...

Okay, let's say for arguments sake that the talent is equal (it isn't). Kyrie is putting up better numbers more efficiently in less minutes. So what's Derozan's argument? Being 2 games ahead in the standings?

You are yet to provide a somewhat passable argument for Derozan being ahead.

 

[Mentch15]

Nah Im pretty sure he gets the right amount till he does some damage in the playoffs

This. How much more credit does Kyrie possibly need at this point in the goddamn regular season. If he leads them to the Finals he'll get it where it's due

 

[Stress Welker]

Because Isaiah did the exact same thing in Brad Stevens system last year but better
Kyrie had a better year in Cleveland last year
Celtics don't skip a beat when he doesn't play. They win just fine
Numbers with him without Al Horford is staggering and looks exactly like the numbers when Lebron sat
Nobody has ever called wack ass Kyle Lowry better than Kyrie EVER
He's not better than La Heem Lillard
So many guards have had better years than MVP rose
Kyrie year is not "arguable" better than Steph's MVP year. That's just a flat out lie.
Celtics win games because of Al Horford...Not Kyrie, he can be replaced with multiple guards and that team will not skip a beat.

And folks stay hating on Al Horford.

 

[Miggs]

Okay, let's say for arguments sake that the talent is equal (it isn't). Kyrie is putting up better numbers more efficiently in less minutes. So what's Derozan's argument? Being 2 games ahead in the standings?

You are yet to provide a somewhat passable argument for Derozan being ahead.

Stats are close to even between the two i checked them...the talent is even,Raptors are going with as many unproven players and most of the continuity is from players who have regressed...Hes on a better team who most people picked to finish outside the top 5...

You saying the talent isnt equal proves how slanted you want to make this towards what you believe...How many Raptor players off there bench were at the rookie/soph game ?

 

[GOAT]

Because Isaiah did the exact same thing in Brad Stevens system last year but better
Kyrie had a better year in Cleveland last year
Celtics don't skip a beat when he doesn't play. They win just fine
Numbers with him without Al Horford is staggering and looks exactly like the numbers when Lebron sat
Nobody has ever called wack ass Kyle Lowry better than Kyrie EVER
He's not better than La Heem Lillard
So many guards have had better years than MVP rose
Kyrie year is not "arguable" better than Steph's MVP year. That's just a flat out lie.
Celtics win games because of Al Horford...Not Kyrie, he can be replaced with multiple guards and that team will not skip a beat.

That graphic is also incredibly dated at this point. This is from like November or December. Horford's play has dropped off significantly while Kyrie has been much better as the season has progressed. Look at Horford's performance over the last few months. Not even at an all star level.

 

[street heat]

kyries teammates are better than people realize.

 

[GOAT]

Stats are close to even between the two i checked them...the talent is even,Raptors are going with as many unproven players and most of the continuity is from players who have regressed...Hes on a better team who most people picked to finish outside the top 5...

You saying the talent isnt equal proves how slanted you want to make this towards what you believe...How many Raptor players off there bench were at the rookie/soph game ?

If you completely ignore efficiency I guess its close (though still edging towards Kyrie). Derozan is at 56% TS while Kyrie is at 61%. Derozan also plays more minutes PER game and isn't ahead of Kyrie in any of the major counting stats.

 

[GOAT]

kyries teammates are better than people realize.

I've watched 90% of the Celtics games this season. They are a tragic offensive team without Kyrie.

 

[UpAndComing]

I've watched 90% of the Celtics games this season. They are a tragic offensive team without Kyrie.

Don't worry breh, none of these dudes have ever watched a Celtics game if it wasn't on TNT

The Celtics offense are wildly inconsistent when Kyrie is on the bench. Mostly because they are depending on young inconsistent players like Tatum and Jaylen

Only since the all star break, has the Celtics offense looked a little more smoother when Kyrie heads to the bench

 

[Bigblackted4]

kyries teammates are better than people realize.

He’s made them better, it’s the Curry before Durant effect.

 

[Rice N Beans]

The thing I can think of is the Celtics already being relatively decent when he arrived. Other than that he is MVP candidate.

Better than the Rose year though.

 

[Miggs]

If you completely ignore efficiency I guess its close (though still edging towards Kyrie). Derozan is at 56% TS while Kyrie is at 61%. Derozan also plays more minutes PER game and isn't ahead of Kyrie in any of the major counting stats.

IM not ignoring efficiency and theyre pretty much even...scoring,ast,rebounding...Kyrie is slightly higher PER,TS%..theyre even in WS and Kyries usage is higher,like i said i saw the stats and theres nothing there to be so high on one over the other...you just dont like derozan.