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He only scored two buckets on him, and Clark's defense on those possessions most certainly wasn't bad - both shots Kyrie hit were tough. Kyrie's missed a # of shots he usually makes against other defenders during both games. Even open looks. Kyrie shot well in G1, and didn't in G2. I don't see how this is a black mark against his performance in this series all of a sudden because of one bad game.

He most definitely is tired from exhausting himself on defense - navigating around screens trying to chase the Warriors guards everywhere, and his shot has been off for a large part of the playoffs. When he was shooting poorly against the Pacers was it because he was getting locked up, or because his shot was off?

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I usually agree with your stuff, but from what I saw, Kyrie had Clark at his mercy in those matchups. But for the most part, the Warriors avoided having to have Clark on Kyrie very often.

But when Klay is on him he's not giving Kyrie any room to breathe. And when Kyrie gets to where he wants to get that fadeaway, they have another defender to challenge the shot on the shooting hand side.
 

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He only scored two buckets on him, and Clark's defense on those possessions most certainly wasn't bad - both shots Kyrie hit were tough. Kyrie's missed a # of shots he usually makes against other defenders during both games. Even open looks. Kyrie shot well in G1, and didn't in G2. I don't see how this is a black mark against his performance in this series all of a sudden because of one bad game.

He most definitely is tired from exhausting himself on defense - navigating around screens trying to chase the Warriors guards everywhere, and his shot has been off for a large part of the playoffs. When he was shooting poorly against the Pacers was it because he was getting locked up, or because his shot was off?

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He didn't have many ISO opportunities against him but he went to work when he did

Where was the exhaustion when Clark was on him?
 
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I usually agree with your stuff, but from what I saw, Kyrie had Clark at his mercy in those matchups.
It was only two possessions though. It's not something you can use as evidence to show that Kyrie is getting locked up by other defenders, because he scored on Clark twice. Plus you must take into account that when Clark's on the floor the Warriors second unit is usually out there too, and the team defense is not as strong as the starting lineup's. I've seen Kyrie get by Klay multiple times only to have a help defender close off his driving lane or meet him at the rim. I've also seen him miss shots he usually makes against Klay too. I don't think you can draw any definitive conclusions from ONE poor shooting performance.

His shooting woes in G2 were more to do with his shot being off and exhaustion from running around screens on every possession, rather than being locked up. He's hit some insanely tough shots through both games, but missed a # of easy ones. He did the same against Indiana and they're not a great defensive team.
But when Klay is on him he's not giving Kyrie any room to breathe. And when Kyrie gets to where he wants to get that fadeaway, they have another defender to challenge the shot on the shooting hand side.
Kyrie went off in nearly every game against Boston and he was up against two of the best perimeter defenders in the league (Bradley and Smart), who were riding his hip everywhere he went. He was just hitting tough shot after tough shot against stellar defense.
 

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It was only two possessions though. It's not something you can use as evidence to show that Kyrie is getting locked up by other defenders, because he scored on Clark twice. Plus you must take into account that when Clark's on the floor the Warriors second unit is usually out there too, and the team defense is not as strong as the starting lineup's. I've seen Kyrie get by Klay multiple times only to have a help defender close off his driving lane or meet him at the rim. I've also seen him miss shots he usually makes against Klay too. I don't think you can draw any definitive conclusions from ONE poor shooting performance.

Definitely a small sample size, and I wouldn't expect Clark to play the same type of defense as Klay. Klay moves his feet better and has better length. And i agree about the bolded as well. It seemed like Kyrie had more room to operate and gave him some more confidence.
 

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But the shyt IS god tier ball handling though. :wow:

It's easy to fall in love with that shyt. :to:
It's sexy basketball :wow:

But Kyrie isn't known for much else besides getting buckets. Them godly handles and :mindblown: reverse lay ups ain't taking down GSW :to:

Bron needs a Kawhi
 

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He's getting locked up

He easily scored when Clark was on him

This is not some tired on defense, shooting bad stuff you typed out

This is a well executed gameplan on a great ISO player that's not making adjustments to help his team
Kyrie sorta had the same issues first 3 games of last Finals. Klay was locking him, but he made adjustments and went Super Saiyen last four games.

Series isn't over.
 

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I cant blame Kyrie. Of course hes pressing and playing iso ball. Thats literally half the reason they were able to comeback last year. If he catches fire, doing the same shyt, and drops 40+, no one will say a thing

He definitely can get some criticism. He's been messing up switches along with JR & had a few lazy to's from trying to do much.
 

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I usually agree with your stuff, but from what I saw, Kyrie had Clark at his mercy in those matchups. But for the most part, the Warriors avoided having to have Clark on Kyrie very often.

But when Klay is on him he's not giving Kyrie any room to breathe. And when Kyrie gets to where he wants to get that fadeaway, they have another defender to challenge the shot on the shooting hand side.
This is where Cavs and Kyrie have to adjust. Need to run counter action/cuts off Kyrie's iso situations which gives Kyrie shoot + pass options off the same looks.
 

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Cavs normally run Kyrie and LeBron opposite each other on offense. Gives Kyrie the space to operate on iso's. That's essentially what Cavs did last Finals down 1-3.

I think that needs to change.

They are sending a lot of primary and secondary attention Kyrie's way, so I would run more sets with him and LeBron on the same side of the court. But Kyrie has to use better passing instincts to make it work.

Warriors are making it a point to take Kyrie out the game.

If the Cavs can figure this out, they'll settle down on offense which would help them on defense.
 
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