Kyrie Irving has asked the Cavs to trade him; Lebron blindsided by trade request

[intruder]

72 pages and he hasnt even been traded yet

 

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Chauncey Billups on Kyrie Irving Trade Request: ‘I Don’t Get It’




Kyrie Irving Trade Request 'Didn't Really Surprise' Chauncey Billups

shyt he basically answered his own question of why Kyrie would want to leave when he said Kyrie's a special talent due to being a beneficiary of playing with Lebron. Same shyt Kobe heard nonstop playing with Shaq and why he said he wanted his own team and to prove he was just a great player. Not a great player due to playing with Shaq.

 

[Young Fab]

shyt he basically answered his own question of why Kyrie would want to leave when he said Kyrie's a special talent due to being a beneficiary of playing with Lebron. Same shyt Kobe heard nonstop playing with Shaq and why he said he wanted his own team and to prove he was just a great player. Not a great player due to playing with Shaq.

Bein a special talent is bein a special talent, it has nothin to do wit who you play wit and Chauncey Billups isn't sayin it does. What he and everybody else is sayin(and it applies to Kobe in his early years as well) is yes, Kyrie is super talented but he has also benefited from playin alongside LeBron, ie winnin an NBA championship, bein in the Finals and atleast competing for an NBA championship every year, bein regarded as one of the best PGs in the league on par wit a 2x MVP in Steph Curry, etc.

No one is sayin LeBron is the reason Kyrie Irving is a great player but his greatness would not have been noticed, atleast not to the degree it is now without LeBron.

 

[Scott Larock]

so he's going to the sun's?

he'll fit with booker. he wants to be the man and do whatever and Phoenix doesn't play defense.

he can shoot all day.

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

so he's going to the sun's?

he'll fit with booker. he wants to be the man and do whatever and Phoenix doesn't play defense.

he can shoot all day.

I just heard the Suns were out because they're refusing to give up Josh Jackson

 

[Scott Larock]

I just heard the Suns were out because they're refusing to give up Josh Jackson

don't blame them honesty. if kyrie can bounce in LeBron he csn bounce on anyone.

but it's so many sf who have the potential to be good, sun's probably should have let that go for kyrie.

 

[Brief Keef]

72 pages and he hasnt even been traded yet

u think he gonna get traded that quick

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

don't blame them honesty. if kyrie can bounce in LeBron he csn bounce on anyone.

but it's so many sf who have the potential to be good, sun's probably should have let that go for kyrie.

Josh Jackson might be at the top of that list, tho.


He's projected as an elite two way player


I'd rather give up TJ Warren or Marquese Chriss

 

[Swagnificent]

I just heard the Suns were out because they're refusing to give up Josh Jackson

Dumb as hell. Josh Jackson is not gonna be that good. Suns should trade him in a heartbeat. His best case scenario is Shawn Marion type player.

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

Dumb as hell. Josh Jackson is not gonna be that good. Suns should trade him in a heartbeat. His best case scenario is Shawn Marion type player.

Sheeeiiiitt.....I'll take that.


From what I saw in Summer League, his ball handling/ISO skills already shyt on Marion's

Shawn was a better athlete, tho

 

[Makavalli]

Bein a special talent is bein a special talent, it has nothin to do wit who you play wit and Chauncey Billups isn't sayin it does. What he and everybody else is sayin(and it applies to Kobe in his early years as well) is yes, Kyrie is super talented but he has also benefited from playin alongside LeBron, ie winnin an NBA championship, bein in the Finals and atleast competing for an NBA championship every year, bein regarded as one of the best PGs in the league on par wit a 2x MVP in Steph Curry, etc.

No one is sayin LeBron is the reason Kyrie Irving is a great player but his greatness would not have been noticed, atleast not to the degree it is now without LeBron.

True i get your point but i think theres a bigger demon cac involved in all this drama. They said Griffin was the one to always talk to kyrie and cool things over between him n bron im not sure what that means or how strained their relationship was but what if griffin being salty bout not getting an extensionw told kyrie all the trade scenerios involving him or how much control bron really has?

If they won the title this year its all good and bron is flexing on instagram clowning KD but when he loses he running to the front office putting everybody on the trading block except his klutch sports crew

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I don't totally disagree but imo this is the reason Kyrie wants to leave Bron. He no longer wants to be just a tunnel vision penetrating pg that doesn't get to playmaker and control the offense. Kyrie needs to develop other faucets of his game and can't being Bron's sidekick. Bron ball limits players to specific roles.

Kyrie takes more shots and has a higher usage than lebron...how much more can he have the ball?

he took the most shots on the team



and highest usage (with way less impact than lebron obviously)





there is a reason delly had more team impact outside of direst scoring than kyrie. The 2015-2016 stats, the championship season

WITH and WITHOUT LeBron James                
             
          WITH     min    per 48  |  WITHOUT    min   per 48  |  DIFFERENCE
Frye     + 3.9     8.2    + 22.8  |  - 2.1    10.7    - 9.4   |  +32.2
Delly    + 5.6    16.8    + 16.0  |  - 0.1     9.1    - 0.5   |  +16.5
Shumpert + 3.4    12.5    + 13.1  |  + 0.3    12.8    + 1.1   |  +11.9
Thompson + 5.6    20.7    + 13.0  |  - 0.9     8.8    - 4.9   |  +17.9
Love     + 6.7    27.4    + 11.7  |  - 0.8     6.2    - 6.2   |  +17.9
Smith    + 5.3    26.9    + 9.5   |  - 1.0     6.3    - 7.6   |  +17.1
Irving   + 4.2    23.6    + 8.5   |    0.0    10.0      0.0   |  + 8.5
Jefferso + 1.0     7.3    + 6.6   |  - 1.3    12.7    - 4.9   |  +11.5
Williams + 1.9    15.8    + 5.8   |  - 2.7     6.3    -20.6   |  +26.3

These are outrageous numbers. The kind of difference LeBron makes is huge. Without LeBron on court, each player gets net losses across the board. With him, massive positives. The difference is staggering.

As a comparison, here are the same with-without +/- stats for the other members of the "Big 3". Or perhaps "massive 1 and biggish 2"?

Irving:

WITH and WITHOUT Irving
                 
           WITH                      WITHOUT  
          "+/-"    min    per 48     "+/-"    min     per 48        DIFFERENCE
James    + 4.2    23.6    + 8.5   |  + 5.4    20.4    + 12.7    |    - 4.2
Smith    + 2.3    22.2    + 5.0   |  + 2.5    15.8     + 7.6    |    - 2.6
Thompson + 4.4    27.7    + 7.6   |  + 3.9    31.5     + 5.9    |    + 1.7
Love     + 2.8    23.1    + 5.8   |  + 3.9    17.3     +10.8    |    - 5.0
Shumpert + 1.1    13.0    + 4.1   |  + 2.4    12.8     + 9.0    |    - 4.9
Delly    + 1.4     8.8    + 7.6   |  + 4.3    19.8     +10.4    |    - 2.8
Frye     + 0.7     9.6    + 3.5   |  + 0.6     9.2     + 3.1    |    + 0.4
Jeffers  + 0.6     8.0    + 3.6   |  - 0.9    13.3     - 3.2    |    + 6.8
Willia   - 1.0     3.5    -13.7   |  - 1.0    17.6     - 2.7    |    -11.0

This doesn't paint Irving's impact on his teammates in a particularly positive light. He is getting big credit for stepping up in the Finals, but his impact based on regular season +/- is not as impressive, especially for a "superstar". Statistically, the other two of the Big 3 actually preferred when they are playing without Irving. And this applies to several others too. Dissing Irving might be a dangerous thing to do around here, so I will just say: basketball is a team game.

And Love:

WITH and WITHOUT Love
               
           WITH                    | WITHOUT                    |
           +/-    min     per 48   | "+/-"    min    per 48     |  DIFFERENCE
James     + 6.7    27.4    + 11.7  |  + 1.8     9.7    + 8.9    |    +  2.8
Irving    + 2.8    23.1    +  5.8  |  + 1.4    10.5    + 6.4    |    -  0.6
Smith     + 3.3    23.8    +  6.7  |  + 0.9     8.4    + 5.1    |    +  1.5
Thompson  + 4.0    16.6    + 11.6  |  + 0.7    12.4    + 2.7    |    +  8.9
Shumpert  + 2.8    11.0    + 12.2  |  + 0.8    14.4    + 2.7    |    +  9.6
Delly     + 4.5    14.1    + 15.3  |  + 0.8    11.4    + 3.4    |    + 12.0
Frye      - 1.0     5.0    -  9.6  |  + 1.7    15.5    + 5.3    |    - 14.9
Jefferson + 0.1     7.5    +  0.6  |  - 0.7    11.5    - 2.9    |    +  3.6
Williams  + 1.4    14.7    +  4.6  |  - 2.4     7.1    -16.2    |    + 20.8

To honour the departing Delly, here is how the Cavs players played with and without him. Somehow Delly seems to add more value that the lesser 2 of the Big 3.

Delly:

WITH and WITHOUT Delly                        

          WITH                   |  WITHOUT                   |  
         "+/-"    min    per 48  |  "+/-"    min    per 48    |    DIFFERENCE
James     +5.6    16.8    +16.0  |   +3.0    20.4    +7.1     |    +8.9
Irving    +1.4     8.8     +7.6  |   +2.8    24.7    +5.4     |    +2.2
Smith     +3.2    12.6    +12.2  |   +1.2    19.4    +3.0     |    +9.2
Thompson  +3.0    15.2     +9.5  |   +1.6    13.8    +5.6     |    +3.9
Love      +4.5    14.1    +15.3  |   +1.4    18.5    +3.6     |   +11.7
Shumpert  +2.3    13.9     +7.9  |   +1.4    11.7    +5.7     |    +2.2
Frye      +0.3    10.7     +1.3  |   +1.0     7.7    +6.2     |    -4.9
Jeffers   +0.9    10.6     +4.1  |   -1.5     8.4    -8.6     |   +12.6
Williams  +1.8     7.3    +11.8  |   -2.4    14.7    -7.8     |   +19.7

 

[IllmaticDelta]

U Bron stans are something else.

Bron almost made it ass niqqas

I post facts...you opinions

 

[IllmaticDelta]

shyt he basically answered his own question of why Kyrie would want to leave when he said Kyrie's a special talent due to being a beneficiary of playing with Lebron. Same shyt Kobe heard nonstop playing with Shaq and why he said he wanted his own team and to prove he was just a great player. Not a great player due to playing with Shaq.

we all know Kyrie's a second, so whatDid Kyrie not say this just a few months ago?

These May-December relationships don't always go so well in the NBA. In a team sport that's marketed with individuals, things can become mighty cramped when egos are involved.

The most infamous tandem gone awry was Kobe Bryant and Shaquille O'Neal with the Los Angeles Lakers. Seven years apart in age, they played eight seasons together, winning three championships and playing in four Finals before it fell apart and O'Neal was traded to Miami.

While their success was undeniable, there will always be a feeling that the pair left championships on the table by not figuring out a way to coexist.

Irving counts Bryant as a mentor and has talked to him about O'Neal in order to avoid the same mistakes with James.

"It's a tough balance," Irving told ESPN. "Because everyone knows, Shaq was really dominant and [had] a lot of the individual accolades ... unbelievable. And that's who he was. And Kobe was just consistently working on his game and consistently trying to prove everyone all the time. And you got to commend somebody for that. That just shows the true testament of their will and what they're willing to do and what they're willing to sacrifice, but I know I don't want to look back and say that I let my selfishness get in the way of us winning championships, because we have unbelievable talent on this team and unbelievable players, and so I don't want to ever take that for granted.

"Whenever that time comes and it's my time to be the leader of the franchise, then I'll be well-prepared. But for now, I'm cool with just being -- I'm very, very cool with being -- a great guy on a great team."

LeBron knows Kyrie is built for a leading role in future

 

[Basaglia]

We've seen what kyrie looks like when he doesn't have lebron even on a title contending team like the cavs. What happened this year in the finals every time lebron sat?

All we've seen is what happens when CJ Miles and Earl Clark and Samardo Samuels are starting next to him...some world renowned scrubs.

What happened when Kyrie didn't play in the finals?

This is exactly why he's leaving. All about LeBron. And I ain't blaming Bron. But, if I just turned 25 and already got a ring and I'm putting up 25 and 6 seasons on 47/40/90 shooting and not making all-NBA teams because people chalk up my ENTIRE EXISTENCE to "Oh, he plays with LeBron"? I'd think about leaving, too.

When he seems people saying guys like Kyle Lowry, who's ass he's busts REPEATEDLY head to head (Oh, but Lowry play defense right...well, he ain't stopping Ky), and Lil Zeke ("Your lil ass getting 42 in an elimination game and you won't be putting 53 on me like you did to Wall") being called BETTER than him, with no hardware, less all-star teams...C'mon, man.

Kyrie's accepting the challenge. It's all about Bron. And y'all sure of that? Cool.