Larry Brown>Phil Jackson

[Joe Sixpack]

Larry Brown as an X and Os coach is great..

But it takes more then that in the NBA..

I think Larry Brown is an old crumudgeon who hates young players like Wilt said earlier..

That 2004 chip if you look at it was really won because Kobe sabotaged that series and was in full a$$hole mode when Shaq was killin Ben Wallace..

The Pistons couldn't even solidify it the next year..

 

[Rekkapryde]

I do think Larry is a better X's and O's coach, but part of coaching also is to be able to have guys put there ego's aside for the betterment of the team. In that aspect, Phil is da gawd.

 

[holidayinn21]

no hate on the pistons, because they did they thing, but larry brown only has a title that laker squad was an internal mess.

a focused shaq and kobe beats them handily.

 

[superunknown23]

2004 Olympics

 

[L68]

1998 NCAA Championship

 

[Street Knowledge]

This is revisionist history at its best.

NOBODY favored Detroit in that series. Nobody.

The Pistons didn't become "the better team" until they won.



As far as the topic of Phil vs. Larry Brown, I'd take Larry if my players were decent or trash, and I'd take Phil if I had some superstars on my squad. Also, Phil was a master of communication and usually had good relationships with his players. Larry Brown would grate on everybody and had mood swings like a mufukka. He's probably bipolar.

I don't care if you think it's revionist history everything I said was the truth. You like everyone at the time just looked at the names and assumed LA was better. Pistons were better pretty much from top to bottom

 

[intruder]

Only way i can see this remotely is Larry Brown is better at teaching basketball to raw talent while Phil is better at managing great talent.

• Larry has brought a lot of average teams to the doorstep of greatness but could never get them over the hump.
• Phil shows up and rolls right over that same hump like it's not even there.
• Riley will take goons who never touched a basketball and take them to the ECF

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

I do think Phil's grossly overrated, however I'd take him over Larry Brown all in all.

Give Larry Phil's squads and I don't think he comes away with 11 titles, nor do I think Phil could've got Detroit a ring. Phil's better at coaching superstars as opposed to getting the most out of lesser (or more evenly spread) talented teams.

I think Doc's more of a Phil kind of coach, and I'd rather him

 

[Joe Sixpack]

no hate on the pistons, because they did they thing, but larry brown only has a title that laker squad was an internal mess.

a focused shaq and kobe beats them handily.

Shaq was focused and he was eatin Ben Wallace's food..

Kobe fukked that series up with his gayness.

 

[PTBG]

Shaq was focused and he was eatin Ben Wallace's food..

Kobe fukked that series up with his gayness.

what focused? He put up good number in that finals, but after the 3-peat he officially took the step back on the Lakers and Kobe took over. Shaq put up good numbers on offense in that 04 finals, but after the 3-peat, Shaq became absolutely and downright terrible on defense. The dude left Payton and Fisher hanging on the pick n roll everytime which was why Payton had beef with Shaq. He became a black hole on defense which was why Billups and 'Sheed pick n rolled the Lakers to death and there was nothing anyone could do about it. And breh Kobe was the reason why they were in the finals in the 1st place. He ate the Spurs up in the 2nd round and officially put Latrell Sprewell on status by how he just destroyed Spree and the T'Wolves in the WCF. You can say what you want, but the Lakers lived by the sword, and they died by the sword, and Kobe got the Lakers there, but Tayshaun and the Pistons zone defense was too much for Kobe and the Lakers. smh at eating Ben Wallace food, Big Ben out rebounded him and got more blocks than him, while only being 6-9 compared to Shaq.

 

[Joe Sixpack]

what focused? He put up good number in that finals, but after the 3-peat he officially took the step back on the Lakers and Kobe took over. Shaq put up good numbers on offense in that 04 finals, but after the 3-peat, Shaq became absolutely and downright terrible on defense. The dude left Payton and Fisher hanging on the pick n roll everytime which was why Payton had beef with Shaq. He became a black hole on defense which was why Billups and 'Sheed pick n rolled the Lakers to death and there was nothing anyone could do about it. And breh Kobe was the reason why they were in the finals in the 1st place. He ate the Spurs up in the 2nd round and officially put Latrell Sprewell on status by how he just destroyed Spree and the T'Wolves in the WCF. You can say what you want, but the Lakers lived by the sword, and they died by the sword, and Kobe got the Lakers there, but Tayshaun and the Pistons zone defense was too much for Kobe and the Lakers. smh at eating Ben Wallace food, Big Ben out rebounded him and got more blocks than him, while only being 6-9 compared to Shaq.

In the finals he was crackin Ben Wallace, what the hell are you talkin bout?

If bytch nikka Kobe wasn't on his period again during that series and let Shaq keep givin Ben that work, the lakers woulda smashed the Pistons..

 

[PTBG]

In the finals he was crackin Ben Wallace, what the hell are you talkin bout?

If bytch nikka Kobe wasn't on his period again during that series and let Shaq keep givin Ben that work, the lakers woulda smashed the Pistons..

Shaq was putting up points on Big Ben, but Ben was outworking and outhustling Shaq on the boards, blocking shots, and was a great anchor on defense, which Shaq was terrible at in the series, as his defense was nonexistent. During the 3-peat, Shaq was getting like 3 blocks a game and actually tried on defense, but after the 3-peat, he stopped playing defense and took the step back as the 2nd option to Kobe. Only way the Lakers would have won if they had Mailman, who shut down Duncan and KG in the playoffs that series. The Pistons pick n rolled the Lakers to death, but with the Mailman, it would have been much different. Even if Shaq would have gotten the ball more, the Pistons would have won breh. There zone defense and the way they were denying Shaq the ball, and the way they shut down all the role players, and the zone defense on Kobe, the Lakers weren't gonna win that series unless they had Malone.

 

[THEANGEL&THEGAMBLER]

Larry fukked up his own career because he was too restless.

If he could have built on his successes maybe his career would have been different?
But maybe that was just his coaching style?

Eventually it just becomes grating to the players or tedious for him so he leaves. He just seems like the type of coach who is perfect for certain specific situations and terrible for others which is why I couldn't put him on Phil's level

 

[Tom]

Larry is better becuase he's good at taking nothing and making something out of the team

Phill has just been lucky enough to get dominate teams his entire career. Who wouldn't be successful without Jordan/Pippen/Shaq/Kobe all in their prime under ur wing?

 

[PTBG]

Also, what's funny is that the Pistons picking Darko instead of Melo won the Pistons a ring in 04. Imagine the way Brown would treat Melo, just like how Melo barely getting any burn in the 04 Olympics. Plus, Brown probably would have started Prince instead of Melo and the tension with Brown and Melo would build up too. Also, I do think Brown is responsible for fukking up Darko. If he would have just gave Darko 20 minutes as a back-up to either Wallace's, he would have produced imo. I remember Darko was straight up balling with the Magic. I thought it was a big ass mistake when the Magic let Darko go and signing Rashard Lewis, that Dwight and Darko tandem looked really good and had some real potential imo.