People seem to forget he was tall as fukk with long ass arms and the definition of a pesky defenderLarry Bird had 4 seasons where he led the league in defensive win shares?
Larry Legend still got it
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thats one thing though, being regarded as the most valuable defender in the league that many seasons is crazy
chuckifubuck
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I thought Larry was a bad defender? Or at least not a stopper.
I think def win shares might just be bullshyt. Barkley and Dirk ranked higher all time than the glove
I believe craig hodges came in second that year.
Yeah i dunno breh. They probably inflate defensive rebounding in the calculation?I thought Larry was a bad defender? Or at least not a stopper.
I think def win shares might just be bullshyt. Barkley and Dirk ranked higher all time than the glove
this metric is designed to estimate a player's contribution in terms of wins not really estimate how good a defender they are
He was not a very good individual defender, But he was an excellent team and help defender, due to his high basketball IQ.
It was easy for Bird to steal balls and help out others on defense because he had seen the play before it actually happened.
I think Bird probably benefited statistically for having a free role in one of the better defensive team in the nba.
He was not a very good individual defender, But he was an excellent team and help defender, due to his high basketball IQ.
It was easy for Bird to steal balls and help out others on defense because he had seen the play before it actually happened.
I think Bird probably benefited statistically for having a free role in one of the better defensive team in the nba.
Baed purely on DWS this is how the all defensive team should look like thou not a perfect science it seem to do a pretty good job
2000-2005 (1st Team / 2nd Team)
C - Ben Wallace (36.9) / Jermaine O'Neal (22.9)
F - Tim Duncan (34.1) / Kenyon Martin (20.8)
F - Kevin Garnett (29.5) / Shawn Marion (26.2)
G - Allen Iverson (18.9) / Eddie Jones (17.9)
G - Jason Kidd (25.6) / Doug Christie (16.9)
1995-2000 (1st Team / 2nd Team)
C - Dikembe Mutombo (25.3) / Alonzo Mourning (24.2)
F - Shawn Kemp (23.3) / Grant Hill (22.0)
F - Karl Malone (22.6) / Scottie Pippen (20.3)
G - Gary Payton (18.9) / Michael Jordan (16.6)
G - Mookie Blaylock (17.4) / Eddie Jones (16.8)
1990-1995 (1st Team / 2nd Team)
C - Patrick Ewing (35.1) / David Robinson (34.3)
F - Karl Malone (27.6) / Charles Oakley (22.3)
F - Scottie Pippen (28.5) / Dennis Rodman (25.0)
G - Mookie Blaylock (18.1) / Clyde Drexler (17.9)
G - John Stockton (20.6) / Michael Jordan (17.4)
1985-1990 (1st Team / 2nd Team)
C - Hakeem Olajuwon (33.1) / Mark Eaton (25.5)
F - Karl Malone (27.5) / Charles Barkley (20.1)
F - Terry Cummings (20.5) / Larry Bird (19.1)
G - Michael Jordan (21.0) / Clyde Drexler (18.9)
G - John Stockton (21.0) / Fat Lever (20.6)
1980-1985 (1st Team / 2nd Team)
C - Jack Sikma (24.0) / Robert Parish (23.4)
F - Larry Bird (28.2) / Greg Ballard (21.6)
F - Julius Erving (22.4) / Buck Williams (20.1)
G - Sidney Moncrief (19.1) / Michael Ray Richardson (18.0)
G - Maurice Cheeks (18.6) / Dennis Johnson (18.0)
1975-1980 (1st Team / 2nd Team)
C - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (28.4) / Sam Lacey (21.4)
F - Elvin Hayes (25.3) / Truck Robinson (18.3)
F - George McGinnis (21.1) / Julius Erving (17.5)
G - Paul Westphal (13.9) / Don Buse (12.4)
G - Gus Williams (16.3) / Dennis Johnson (13.4)
1970-1975 (1st Team / 2nd Team)
C - Dave Cowens (34.4) / Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (32.5)
F - Elvin Hayes (35.6) / Paul Silas (25.8)
F - John Havlicek (27.2) / Dave DeBusschere (21.8)
G - Jerry Sloan (23.8) / Jo Jo White (21.7)
G - Walt Frazier (25.2) / Norm Van Lier (22.0)
1965-1970 (1st Team / 2nd Team)
C - Bill Russell (38.3) / Wilt Chamberlain (32.5)
F - Dave Debusschere (19.7) / Bailey Howell (17.5)
F - John Havlicek (23.7) / Billy Cunningham (18.6)
G - Jeff Mullins (13.3) / Sam Jones (13.2)
G - Hal Greer (17.3) / Jerry Sloan (12.8)
2000-2005 (1st Team / 2nd Team)
C - Ben Wallace (36.9) / Jermaine O'Neal (22.9)
F - Tim Duncan (34.1) / Kenyon Martin (20.8)
F - Kevin Garnett (29.5) / Shawn Marion (26.2)
G - Allen Iverson (18.9) / Eddie Jones (17.9)
G - Jason Kidd (25.6) / Doug Christie (16.9)
1995-2000 (1st Team / 2nd Team)
C - Dikembe Mutombo (25.3) / Alonzo Mourning (24.2)
F - Shawn Kemp (23.3) / Grant Hill (22.0)
F - Karl Malone (22.6) / Scottie Pippen (20.3)
G - Gary Payton (18.9) / Michael Jordan (16.6)
G - Mookie Blaylock (17.4) / Eddie Jones (16.8)
1990-1995 (1st Team / 2nd Team)
C - Patrick Ewing (35.1) / David Robinson (34.3)
F - Karl Malone (27.6) / Charles Oakley (22.3)
F - Scottie Pippen (28.5) / Dennis Rodman (25.0)
G - Mookie Blaylock (18.1) / Clyde Drexler (17.9)
G - John Stockton (20.6) / Michael Jordan (17.4)
1985-1990 (1st Team / 2nd Team)
C - Hakeem Olajuwon (33.1) / Mark Eaton (25.5)
F - Karl Malone (27.5) / Charles Barkley (20.1)
F - Terry Cummings (20.5) / Larry Bird (19.1)
G - Michael Jordan (21.0) / Clyde Drexler (18.9)
G - John Stockton (21.0) / Fat Lever (20.6)
1980-1985 (1st Team / 2nd Team)
C - Jack Sikma (24.0) / Robert Parish (23.4)
F - Larry Bird (28.2) / Greg Ballard (21.6)
F - Julius Erving (22.4) / Buck Williams (20.1)
G - Sidney Moncrief (19.1) / Michael Ray Richardson (18.0)
G - Maurice Cheeks (18.6) / Dennis Johnson (18.0)
1975-1980 (1st Team / 2nd Team)
C - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (28.4) / Sam Lacey (21.4)
F - Elvin Hayes (25.3) / Truck Robinson (18.3)
F - George McGinnis (21.1) / Julius Erving (17.5)
G - Paul Westphal (13.9) / Don Buse (12.4)
G - Gus Williams (16.3) / Dennis Johnson (13.4)
1970-1975 (1st Team / 2nd Team)
C - Dave Cowens (34.4) / Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (32.5)
F - Elvin Hayes (35.6) / Paul Silas (25.8)
F - John Havlicek (27.2) / Dave DeBusschere (21.8)
G - Jerry Sloan (23.8) / Jo Jo White (21.7)
G - Walt Frazier (25.2) / Norm Van Lier (22.0)
1965-1970 (1st Team / 2nd Team)
C - Bill Russell (38.3) / Wilt Chamberlain (32.5)
F - Dave Debusschere (19.7) / Bailey Howell (17.5)
F - John Havlicek (23.7) / Billy Cunningham (18.6)
G - Jeff Mullins (13.3) / Sam Jones (13.2)
G - Hal Greer (17.3) / Jerry Sloan (12.8)
there was a story I heard on the radio about when the AS game was in Dallas back in the 80's, and right before the 3pt contest, Bird went into the media room cooler and was looking for a certain type of beer. He couldn't find it, but found something else he wanted to try instead, chugged like 2 of them down immediately, then went out and won the 3pt contest.
I don't know if it's true, but I dont see why it wouldnt be.
I don't know if it's true, but I dont see why it wouldnt be.
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Larry Bird had 4 seasons where he led the league in defensive win shares?
Pardon me breh, no disrespect, but wtf are defensive win shares?
Calculating Win Shares | Basketball-Reference.comPardon me breh, no disrespect, but wtf are defensive win shares
chuckifubuck
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So for the looks of it, its accurate for great defenders but it also includes a bunch of guys who were average/terrible defenders on good denfesive teams.
Just looking at the list for this season, KD at #3, mike conley 7th, david west 11th, BOOZER 13th
, blake 18th, david lee 22thI dunno
I wouldn't trust itit clearly overvalues defensive rebounding.So for the looks of it, its accurate for great defenders but it also includes a bunch of guys who were average/terrible defenders on good denfesive teams.
Just looking at the list for this season, KD at #3, mike conley 7th, david west 11th, BOOZER 13th
I dunno
mike conley is a nice defender though, he shouldnt habvent been included.
i was making any statements on DWS's, just
@ Larry leading the league multiple times in it.