Last Call: Why Leftists Should Vote for Hillary Clinton
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Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
Plus the "far left" is way more amorphous than the alt right. College feminist white women and Dead Prez are both considered "far left."
JahFocus CS
Get It How You Get It
That makes no sense except from a position of ignorance and logical fallacies.
JahFocus CS
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As far as the article goes, 
but 
I can understand the case for voting Clinton, but it's also necessary for a decent amount of people to vote for alternatives too. I'm voting for Jill Stein to take a step towards building a positive alternative. I'll side with the home team instead of playing away games hoping to strike up grand bargains. Clinton isn't a fighter for the working-class, so I'll spend my time and invest my vote in building working-class institutions and preparing for whatever lies ahead.
I'm not convinced that Trump = Hitler anyway. I think he's closer to a Nixon.
but I can understand the case for voting Clinton, but it's also necessary for a decent amount of people to vote for alternatives too. I'm voting for Jill Stein to take a step towards building a positive alternative. I'll side with the home team instead of playing away games hoping to strike up grand bargains. Clinton isn't a fighter for the working-class, so I'll spend my time and invest my vote in building working-class institutions and preparing for whatever lies ahead.
I'm not convinced that Trump = Hitler anyway. I think he's closer to a Nixon.
Your position and mine are largely the same. I've said that time and again. I say they can't pull the wool over again not because of any faith in the Clintons, but merely because fighting for what we want is easier under HRC than Trump. Trump puts us back to square one and all of a sudden we're relitigating culture issues and the neoliberal ball washers get to be heroes again. It becomes everyone vs. Trump like it was versus Bush. With HRC in office we can draw lines. It's easier to move left, or towards a third party when you can say this is what a decade of Democratic leadership has gotten us and while we're not being guilted into unifying to bring back LGBT rights, etc.I'm not as optimistic. But I'm not saying Trump should be president I'm just saying don't expect Hillary to bend because the "left is right." She doesn't care about that shyt. We're in a lose lose regardless, and people on the left need to realize that instead of fearing people into voting for Hillary. There's a reason Bill deregulated Wall Street and pushed NAFTA. There's a reason Hillary voted for the Iraq War and was giving speeches to Wall Street without a care. There's a reason Obama is pushing TPP with no remorse.
You don't fight these people because it doesn't lead anywhere. You disqualify them from the jump. And if you can't do that then you move to another party because they have no interest in your ideals. The Clinton's are the worse thing to ever happen to lefty politics. They've turned the party into a cesspool of corruption and identity politics to where even though she's awful every media outlet, corporation, world government, thinker, and citizen has to support her because they were able to finesse a fascist as the opposition.
Like I've said many times though, I hope I'm completely wrong and progressives push her to better the country. I'll gladly take that L about Hillary any day
Moreover, as I have said time and again. The SCOTUS has done as much damage as any Republican over the last 30 years. Whoever HRC picks will be unquestionably better and will give us an arena to maneuver in. This isn't saying that HRC will be an ally. Occasionally she might be. It's saying she is a means to an end. She's the baseline we need so that there isn't even MORE work to do--which there certainly would be under Trump. I mean I've said this over and over and over and over again. I'm literally the biggest proponent of what you just said on this board. The difference is I just recognize that voting is about strategy and taking minor victories while working towards bigger goals. The goals include electing progressives and challenging Democrat incumbents. No one is saying believe in the Democrats, I'm saying believe in us. I'm voting for Stein and I'm saying this.
The open Supreme Court spot is already enough of a reason to vote for Clinton IMO. 
Which way the court leans for the next 20 years is something that'll effect the country long after Hillary is out of office. You really want to let Trump get to choose Supreme Court justices just to make a point?
Which way the court leans for the next 20 years is something that'll effect the country long after Hillary is out of office. You really want to let Trump get to choose Supreme Court justices just to make a point?
88m3
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88m3
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I'm not that happy about it though.
I don't think anyone is thrilled we got shoehorned into Hillary.
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The open Supreme Court spot is already enough of a reason to vote for Clinton IMO.
Which way the court leans for the next 20 years is something that'll effect the country long after Hillary is out of office. You really want to let Trump get to choose Supreme Court justices just to make a point?
Conservative justices actually follow the U.S. Constitution and don't make crap up and think with their emotions. They uphold the law and interpret it correctly unlike liberal justices that think solely with emotion and are usually wrong.
JahFocus CS
Get It How You Get It
shut the hell up
Feeling a little emotional? That is the truth, whether you want to acknowledge it or not.
