Last Week Tonight: Obamacare

[Scholar]

So liberals force a monstrous unsustainable bill through, and now conservatives who are ideologically opposed to the whole idea "dont know how to govern" because they cannot come up with a comparable replacement?








Politics!

What alternatives to ACA do you support ?

 

[TransJenner]

The fukk are u even talking about Troll? The subject at hand is obamacare.

Sorry

 

[Regular_P]

So liberals force a monstrous unsustainable bill through, and now conservatives who are ideologically opposed to the whole idea "dont know how to govern" because they cannot come up with a comparable replacement?








Politics!

Meh they probably have something in place they're just waiting for a time to reveal it to minimize blow back

7+ years.

For months, Paul Ryan's been telling everyone who will listen that they have a great plan in place with zero details. They have nothing.

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

7+ years.

For months, Paul Ryan's been telling everyone who will listen that they have a great plan in place with zero details. They have nothing.

Ryan's plan just got leaked though

 

[Regular_P]

Ryan's plan just got leaked though

Did you miss the part where it simply said "placeholder?"

 

[DEAD7]

No shortbus, what I did was objectively outline your position. You have no alternative, and in the interim 50,000 people die because you hate something more than you hate nothing. I didn't castigate or insult you or call you an unfeeling sociopath (though that is in fact true as well), you just projected because deep down you know your position is irrational, it's why you subconsciously use terms like "indefensible" to refer to ACA.

What alternatives to ACA do you support ?

7+ years.

For months, Paul Ryan's been telling everyone who will listen that they have a great plan in place with zero details. They have nothing.

I dont want them to have anything... I dont think govt. is the solution.
Repealing Obamacare and replacing it with nothing is fine with me...
I don't believe in positive rights. In my opinion, no member of society has a right to demand a minimal share of basic goods from society. People have the right not to be interfered with, but they don't have the right to actually get anything.
I am and have always been willing to agree to disagree on this cause liberals believe the exact opposite.











and @ both of ya'll pretending not to see the appeal to emotion implicit in stating the loss of life over and over. You even used the words empathy/sociopath then claimed it wasnt emotional

 

[DEAD7]

Also its fallacious to assume because some one doesnt want govt. to fix [insert problem] that they dont care about [insert problem] or want it fixed.

 

[acri1]

I dont want them to have anything... I dont think govt. is the solution.
Repealing Obamacare and replacing it with nothing is fine with me...
I don't believe in positive rights. In my opinion, no member of society has a right to demand a minimal share of basic goods from society. People have the right not to be interfered with, but they don't have the right to actually get anything.
I am and have always been willing to agree to disagree on this cause liberals believe the exact opposite.











and @ both of ya'll pretending not to see the appeal to emotion implicit in stating the loss of life over and over. You even used the word empathy then claimed it wasnt emotional

So basically, "I'd rather have people die than benefit from a government provided service, and if you find this unethical you're just appealing to emotion".

Conservatives in 2017, ladies and gentlemen.

 

[DEAD7]

So basically, "I'd rather have people die than benefit from a government provided service, and if you find this unethical you're just appealing to emotion".

Conservatives in 2017, ladies and gentlemen.

You believe the state is the only viable option... and anyone who doesnt support the state in this endeavor prefers people die... Got it.









I'm cool with that.

Spoiler

@ the appeal to emotion in every post. "would you rather people die!? what kinda monster are you!?"

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

Did you miss the part where it simply said "placeholder?"

I feel you. But knowing these idiots they'll just go with that

The block grants are still ultimately the biggest thing Ryan wants to do and it was outlined in that leak.

Also Ryan as I recall did try to get the ball rolling with the grant system for Medicaid a few years ago, it just got push back in his face

 

[acri1]

You believe the state is the only viable option... and anyone who doesnt support the state in this endeavor prefers people die... Got it.









I'm cool with that.

Spoiler

@ the appeal to emotion in every post. "would you rather people die!? what kinda monster are you!?"

So I'm appealing to emotion because I'm pointing out that a policy position will result in more deaths? Since when is people dying not a valid concern?

And if you agree that the policy you prefer (for ideological reasons) would result in more people dying and you're fine with it anyway, then...by definition you'd prefer people die.

 

[Regular_P]

Also its fallacious to assume because some one doesnt want govt. to fix [insert problem] that they dont care about [insert problem] or want it fixed.

How does something that affects the majority get fixed then?

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

You believe the state is the only viable option... and anyone who doesnt support the state in this endeavor prefers people die... Got it.









I'm cool with that.

Spoiler

@ the appeal to emotion in every post. "would you rather people die!? what kinda monster are you!?"

The state should be the dominant system. The US should basically just try to copy Germany's two tier system as much as possible

 

[DEAD7]

The state should be the dominant system. The US should basically just try to copy Germany's two tier system as much as possible

I disagree, but i respect that position

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

I disagree, but i respect that position

But I mean, you don't really have a leg to stand on breh. Other countries provide better outcomes, more efficiently, with the government being the dominant option