Learning to Accept Rap’s Generation Gap. Written by J-Zone

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“Look at these new jack kids. They don’t even know what song this is, and it’s sad.”

I’d heard that statement a million times over. I’d said it myself a million and five times. But this time, for whatever reason, was different. I’d just finished DJ-ing,opening up for DJ Premier at the Soundset festival in May of 2012. And as I stood off to the side in the 1,000 degree tent, sweat-soaked from shirt to drawers, nodding my head as Preemo dropped the jazzy, yet beautifully morose intro for the Group Home LP he produced from 1995, an attendee around my age uttered that magic phrase that actually froze me in my tracks for the first time.

That’s when the doctor walked into the office holding the x-ray with the malignant tumor on it and sporting a somber face: I was officially part of the first generation of folks raised on hip-hop as recorded music to get…[gasp]…old.

As I scanned the crowd, the arithmetic made it even more obvious: About 40% of the people in that tent looked like they’d be cramming for the SATs when they got home from Soundset. Some that I met after my DJ set stated they couldn’t make it to that night’s after party due to curfews and age restrictions. I turned my internal calculator on. That’d make their year of birth about… 1996. Group Home’s album may have been available via special order at the record store in Mall of America when their parents were deciding whether or not they should drop a brat. I thought it was pretty cool young kids were nodding to a dope beat they didn’t know, but I guess the complainant had a point. If you were a teenager in the ’90s and didn’t know which song came after “Zig Zag” on the Car Wash Soundtrack from 1976, that’d be pretty Goddamn sad, too, right? Or does that sound a bit ridiculous?


The Soundset epiphany kind of reminded me of an episode 20 years earlier, when I had the fellas over the crib during the summer of ‘92, right after my freshman year of high school ended. When I pulled out Kool and the Gang’s “Give It Up” and Young **** Unlimited’s “Queen of the Nile” and played ‘em back to back, everyone bugged at how the funk and jazz record combined to form the backdrop for what was the hottest joint of the moment, Eric B. & Rakim’s “Don’t Sweat the Technique.”

“That’s fat,” said T-Bone. “You should use some more shyt off those records.”

T-Bone had no interest in learning about Kool and the Gang drummer, “Funky” George Brown, or asking me about this mysterious Young-**** Unlimited group. They were before his time. He just liked the samples. Those two to four second audio grabs were fat. When EQd right, they bumped in the jeeps that passed us in the street. That was it. He didn’t ask me for a tape dub of the first Kool and the Gang LP to bump on his own, but he was down to loop up their shyt. Aspiring producers and DJs like myself cared about that stuff. But our casual rap fan peers? Nah. If a sample was fat, it was fat. Who gave a fukk about the original source? The original source was before their time, their parents’ music. And when you’re a teenager, your parents’ music is corny. We snatched pieces of it and made it ours. It was different now. “Don’t Sweat the Technique” was our locker room music, not “Give It Up.”

So as I reminisced on T-Bone’s insouciant stance on the DNA of early ’90s hip-hop records while simultaneously examining the all ages crowd at Soundset, I finally and firmly accepted the fact that the generational disconnect will always exist. Music from the past is largely enjoyed and preserved by those who lived through it upon its release to the public and felt its impact. They first absorbed it immediately upon its creation. They’re old enough to look back on the music and its associated time period as a point of reference to where the world is in its current state. Vietnam, Reaganomics, Watergate, crack, The L.A. Riots, New York’s state of being a racial powder keg in the late ’80s – each had a soundtrack. Younger folks who dig deeper and are more intrigued by music than their peers appreciate stuff from all genres and all eras. But they’re in the minority, and although they may appreciate the music itself, they’ll never fully comprehend what surrounded it or the circumstances it was made under. Some of our “Golden Era” innovations in style have come back around – Gumby haircuts are actually popular again. But N.W.A. is no longer dangerous. Ice Cube’s penchant for getting lost in his movies and Dr. Dre’s overpriced headphones make the group seem damn near humorous in hindsight. I once played “fukk The Police” during a college music course I taught at my alma mater; my students thought it was hilarious and fun. Only a certain demographic can truly understand why the group and song were considered so dangerous once upon a time. You had to be there to “get it.” Furthermore, rap has always been propelled by youth and rebellion, so fewer older artists in hip-hop will be revered by the youth than in most other genres of music.

And despite all signs pointing to the merciless beating of a dead horse, we continue to wail away. Check the comment sections for any online hip-hop article related to beef between artists of two eras or start a rap debate in any black barbershop: “old,” “broke,” and “bitter” are words I’ll bet a kidney on popping up. KRS vs. Nelly, Lil’ Kim vs. Nicki Minaj, Common vs. Drake, Ice-T vs. Soulja Boy, Pete Rock vs. Lupe Fiasco, etc. – all the same. Had Twitter existed in 1991, when Biz Markie’s album was pulled from shelves for illegally sampling Gilbert O’Sullivan’s “Alone Again,” you can’t deny that 14-year-old Biz fans like myself would be tweeting:
Gilbert O’Sullivan is a herb #Broke #Bitter #OldMan

The most recent generational divide was highlighted in the Lord Finesse vs. Mac Miller situation. Folks my age speaking on the infringement case might say: “Finesse chopped that sample creatively to make the beat; Mac Miller just used a finished product for a mixtape.” Alright, but how many 18-year-olds know about hitting up the dude with the ZZ Top beard at the Roosevelt record show in ’94 looking for obscure joints to chop beyond recognition, and in turn dipping the onerous and newly-established mandatory sample clearance process? We can frown on them being oblivious to the creative chopping methods born out of the SP-1200’s paltry 2.5 seconds of sampling time per button and overzealous lawyers, but that production process is just not part of their DNA whatsoever. Just like despite the ruthless creativity of sampling in the early ’90s, musicians from the ’70s didn’t give a fukk about how many pieces their work was chopped into in the SP. fukk the fact that I “flipped it” and made it my own. According to them, if I couldn’t play that inverted paradiddle-inspired breakbeat on the drums my damn self, I was stealing. Let’s attempt to tell (James Brown drummer) Clyde Stubblefield’s medical bills how creative we were. Or, tell the owners of rap labels from the late ‘80s, who released albums chock-full of (uncleared) samples, only to secure the rights to common breakbeats and rap vocal snippets and sue artists who use them without clearance today. There’s no true right or wrong with the sampling issue… just a gaping generation gap, with a shytload of open invoices on the ground below.

It’s also time for me to finally admit that once upon a time I was just like today’s teenage rap fan who sees the rap stalwarts of the ’90s as pot-bellied, 9XL shirt-wearing curmudgeons. I have the utmost respect for rap’s pioneers and their contributions that paved the way for the music that has engulfed my life. But my full entry into rap as a fan was in 1989. That explains my reaction when I heard The Sugarhill Gang’s “Rapper’s Delight” in full for the first time, long after it had been released. I may have been 11 or 12 years old.

“I say hip, hop, the hibbit, the hibby to the hip hip hop and ya don’t stop the rockin to the bang bang boogie say up jump the boogie to the rhythm of the boogidy bee!”

I thought to myself: What the fukk was that and why did I just waste ten minutes listening to it?

I thought “Rapper’s Delight” was a joke, like a parody of some sort. True enough, I’ve always had (and still have) an odd obsession with music from the late ’60s and ’70s, but the funk and jazz I studied hit their primes before my time. When I became a rap fan, the rap music of the day was my only reference point. “Rapper’s Delight” to me was like my uncles Fred and Calvin grabbing Carl Winslow from Family Matters and getting on the mike at a family BBQ, as my middle-aged, Jheri curled aunts cheered them on while eating fried chicken and potato salad. I didn’t take that shyt seriously like I did Stetsasonic’s “Talkin All That Jazz,” because Stesasonic’s In Full Gear was the first rap LP I ever bought. Kind of like how that NPR intern didn’t take Public Enemy’s classic Nation of Millions… LP seriously. Drake is his reference point and Chuck D reminded him of a drill sergeant. So I guess it’s hard to fully appreciate how the Group Home LP intro sets up “Inna Citi Life” unless you were walking around New York City with it in your Walkman through the Blizzard of ‘96 and watching Mayor Rudy Giuliani Windex your hometown. When Premier went into his next tune at Soundset, I heard it from the same cat: “I don’t get these kids today.”

Ah, that magical word: today. Let’s talk about “today.”

To my Grandfather, “today” was 1989.A number. Another summer. A year that featured he and I crossing 137th Avenue in Queens and arguing about who was sexier, Salt-N-Pepa or Lena Horne. He’d seen the “foolishness” I’d spent my allowance money on in the form of a Word Up! magazine and had to speak on the music of “today.”

Then he really revealed his Medicare card: “They ruin the records with all that scratching. And the Ink Spots were rappin’ long before Salt and Pepper [sic] were around. How ya like them apples?”

I didn’t. And despite my aforementioned childhood (and lifetime) infatuation with funk records older than I, I truly didn’t care about Grandpa’s Golden Oldies back then. The Ink Spots were seniors in high school when W.E.B. Dubois was a freshman as far as I was concerned. But us thirty-somethings reference 1989 now when telling the youth (and each other) about a time when hip-hop was picture perfect (ahem…poorly-placed, contrived hip-house jams on albums… ahem) and pontificating on Facebook about how far “today’s” artists like Drake are from the greatness of that era.

“Today” was 1993, when keep-it-realers kept it a little too real and the grumbling about gimmicks (tongue-twisting, saying “buck buck” on records despite living in palatial mansions, wearing all black with a bald head, brandishing a tech-9, and copy-catting Pete Rock and Dr. Dre’s production styles) from purists longing for The Rooftop to reopen began.

“Why can’t we take it back to ’86? Rap is too gimmicky today!”

Remember that? Of course we do, because people complained about the state of hip-hop back in the days, too. Current terms like “Golden Era” and “’90s hip-hop” are so broad they can refer to different time periods and music to different people. Tell me to DJ a “Golden Era” party and I’ll start playing 116 BPM records from 1990, but most people don’t usually react until you dip into the Nas / Wu-Tang / Biggie / A Tribe Called Quest stuff from five years later that’s about 20 BPM slower. Give a DJ born in 1966 the same instructions, he’s liable to pull out a Joeski Love record.

“Today” was 1996, when we scowled at the opulence of Bad Boy records, raising the roof, poppin’ Cristal bottles, keeping those bass drum rubs and triangles loud in the mix, Ma$e using a dollar sign instead of an ‘s’ to spell his name and downright gettin’ jiggy with it on these player haters. Boy did we hate hip-hop then.

“Today” was 2002, when we all admitted P-Diddy’s Bad Boy jiggyness from ‘96 was milquetoast, but nowhere near as egregious as Cash Money Records’ sample-free jams about buying platinum football fields, because “at least the Bad Boy Records had an old school hip-hop element.”

And “today” is now 2013, when 27-year-olds are beginning to say shyt like “How’d we go from a nikka as dope as Jim Jones to a nikka as wack as Tyga?”



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I recently revisited an article I wrote about the state of hip-hop six years ago that was eventually published in a textbook. Some of my points were valid, but for me to expect someone from a different generation to fully comprehend where I was coming from was hilariously wrong. Daily palaver on this stuff has invaded social media, especially from DJs and rappers my age and older. After sitting back for a year and watching hundreds of Facebook and Twitter debates (almost always typed IN ALL CAPS) about where hip-hop is going and according to whom, I’ve realized I no longer have the energy to give a shyt. Comments got ridiculous. (Is it coming back? Is it stuck between two cushions on Rick Ross’ living room sofa? In a 7-11 bathroom? The weight room at Rikers? On life support? Under Jay-Z’s bottom lip? At a Chinese restaurant awaiting service?) I had to learn that it is wherever you want it to be. You won’t buy music from a rapper who uses auto-tune and wears a faux-hawk, and his fans probably won’t buy your music, either. 23 years ago, Vanilla Ice getting a record deal may have prevented a more talented artist from getting one. Today, Rick Ross being on a major has no bearing on J-Zone and his niche-ass, limited pressing-ass releases on cassette tapes and 45s. So why should I give a shyt? Men in their 40s using entire Facebook posts to gripe about Justin Bieber’s cheesiness or Gucci Mane’s trap rap stylings and how much they want to fukk those guys up physically is just as fatuous as the time I directed a diatribe at my college class of 19 -year-olds born out of a Canibus vs. J Cole debate we had when the two had problems last year. I felt the need to show them what a real diss record was and went back to Tim Dog’s “fukk Compton” and Ice Cube’s “No Vaseline” with little fanfare. You have to know who Michell’e is to appreciate “fukk Compton.” And Michell’e may as well be Sylvia Robinson to a group of kids born in 1993. Or even better, it’s just as fatuous Rev. Calvin Butts securing a steamroller to pulverize vulgar rap cassettes to prove a point in 1993. He didn’t want us youth listening to the foul-mouthed rappers of the day and attempted to inspire us to reject gangsta rap lyrical content. You know what Calvin Butts inspired me to do? Buy Dr. Dre’s The Chronic just to spite him, though I didn’t care much for it at the time. I supported Dre to score a point for my generation. Take that, you ol’ “we shall overcome” sangin’, civil rights haircut havin’-ass nikka. fukk you, fukk your church and fukk your crusade – I will never relate to you. Dre and Snoop didn’t make records for Calvin Butts. And Gucci Mane and Justin Bieber don’t make records for men in their mid to late 40s who went to park jams in the Bronx as kids.

By arrogantly force-feeding our generation’s aesthetics to 20-year-old bloggers, no matter how shytty their tastes are to us, we’re becoming the anti-rap crusaders of the ’90s that we loathed so much. All generations are guilty of having knee-jerk reactions to anything dealing with old vs. new. That explains why I haven’t gotten around to checking out Kendrick Lamar, despite being badgered by a friend who e-mailed me a link to his music. I went out of my way to download a new software program just so I could have some old Alkaholiks demos, though. On the flip side, 18-year-olds will front a new Large Pro joint simply because of his salt and pepper beard in the photo above the audio player link and many hip-hop fans my age will have a gripe with the “old man” comments the college age kids post. But by me not giving Kendrick Lamar a listen (I will soon, I swear), how the fukk am I any better than the 18-year-olds? I don’t have a right to say shyt. This friction has always been there and will continue to be, it just seems more prevalent these days because the disconnect is within the same genre (a young one at that) and playing out on the same field (the Internet).

Every generation thinks the ones after it stink, and it’s time to get comfortable with that life process and expend energy elsewhere. Youth that willingly digest everything from generations past wouldn’t be youth. No generation grows old gracefully and no generation finds itself peacefully. The G.I. Generation scraped through The Depression for peanuts and kept the family together at all costs, so they resented the Baby Boomers’ Gordon Gekko-style greed and high divorce rates of the ‘80s. Us Generation Xers resent Baby Boomers for all their hoopla and protest as youth in the ‘60s, because after all that Woodstock shyt fizzled out, they went on to assimilate and form a wall in the workplace that refuses to retire. Now Boomers shun the non-traditional, freelance and entrepreneurial lives many of us have pursued. My generation resents DJs who learn on Serato, artists that get gigs without paying dues and Millennials who utilize viral tomfoolery and blog nepotism to launch their careers rather than perfecting a craft. Social issues, lingo, politics, whatever…“Dope” to us meant good. “Dope” to our parents meant drugs. Not good. “Swag” means style to an 18 year old. “Swag” sounds like a rare foot fungus or an extreme case of seborrheic dermatitis to me. But I had to learn something: Who the fukk am I to feel any kind of way about a 14-year-old saying it? The word isn’t for me.

In closing, the music we grew up on will last forever for us to enjoy and get nostalgic over, but the circumstances that created it are long, long, long gone. You can’t paint ’90s hip-hop portraits without lead paint – and lead-has been abated from everything at this point. Lead made people crazy in the ‘70s and ‘80s, when these artists were reared. Nobody’s that fukkin’ crazy anymore and times done changed, so “bringing it back” to the “Golden Era,” whether it means the mid-’80s, early ’90s or mid-’90s to you, would be impossible, extremely trite and come off as a Canal Street replica of what it was. As much as most folks my age tend to hate Drake, wondering why a kid in junior high would listen to him and sport a faux hawk is undeniably stupid and really no different than adults wondering why we got our initials shaved in our asymmetrical haircuts in 1990. They bytched. They moaned. They talked about how they never fukked up their hair as kids despite family photo albums full of evidence dotted with conks and raggedy-ass Jheri curls. Maybe today’s music and the world that inspires it is really getting progressively worse. But even if that’s the case, I had to learn that it won’t affect the music I create, listen to or write about for those niche-ass lists I post. It won’t affect how I pay taxes, eat, sleep or shyt, so who gives a single, solitary fukk? What I choose to ignore was not made for me anyway.
 

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Pretty much in line with the overall theme of relativism as it relates to hip hop, that I've been touting on here and the :hamster: for years...it's a simple enough concept that I'm still shocked that so many people fail to grasp, instead falling predictably into cliched nostalgia driven glory-dayism and idealism
 

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The real problem is that people are still caught up in calling this Hip Hop this a culture....there is no culture....Its all entertainment. Call it what it is. Culture involves growth.....There is no culture when violence and selling drugs has been ok in rap music for close to 20 years.....thats called entertainment. If there was a culture someone would have checked 2Pac and Jay Z long ago and told them that real men dont put their business out there telling the world they slept with the next mans wife. Thats childish and not the actions of grown mature men. But with entertainment everything is all fair. The entertainment of my young era is gone and we are in the current young era in entertainment. Its not for us...its for them. Its their entertainment let the kids have it. Seems foolish arguing over something using "culture" as a foundation when their really is no "culture."
 

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The real problem is that people are still caught up in calling this Hip Hop this a culture....there is no culture....Its all entertainment. Call it what it is. Culture involves growth.....There is no culture when violence and selling drugs has been ok in rap music for close to 20 years.....thats called entertainment. If there was a culture someone would have checked 2Pac and Jay Z long ago and told them that real men dont put their business out there telling the world they slept with the next mans wife. Thats childish and not the actions of grown mature men. But with entertainment everything is all fair. The entertainment of my young era is gone and we are in the current young era in entertainment. Its not for us...its for them. Its their entertainment let the kids have it. Seems foolish arguing over something using "culture" as a foundation when their really is no "culture."


Are you fcking serious? You sound like a racist white boy. Thats what racist white boys do when they discuss hip hop....reduce it to its worst elements. So I guess the b boy culture, which curbed a lot of violence, never existed...I guess Public Enemy and the black empowerment movement of the late 80s never happened. I guess all the brilliant records, positive messages, and lives who were saved by hip hop never happened. Naw, its just all about immature actions by a few rappers. Awful post.
 

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long piece, and I appreciate Jzone trying to contribute to a debate with insight, rather than incite....but there is a difference in one of his examples, which I think controls a lot of his debate. He brought up the example of busting out a kool and the gang sample, and while his boys complimented it, they werent bumping it on the reg. Well, its one thing to be appreciative of the past and respectful of it, while not putting it in your heavy rotation. Its another thing to be contemptuous and disrespectful towards past artists, by saying their "old and irrelevant', which is what a lot of new jacks do today. Thats the difference. Not to mention that in the 90s the quality of music was very high. A few years ago, the quality of hip hop had bottomed out. Hip hop was being destroyed. It wasnt being destroyed in the 90s.
 

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nothing groundbreaking here....

there's actually a lot i want to say, but it'd be wasted on this site, but i wonder if my take on hip hop (current vs past) is because i fall in the "gap" generation that experienced a lot of eras (ppl born 81/82-86/87), because i have brothers who are 11 & 8 yrs older than me, or because i'm not completely old enough to be on some :old: "this isn't hip hop" shyt
 

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nothing groundbreaking here....

there's actually a lot i want to say, but it'd be wasted on this site, but i wonder if my take on hip hop (current vs past) is because i fall in the "gap" generation that experienced a lot of eras (ppl born 81/82-86/87), because i have brothers who are 11 & 8 yrs older than me, or because i'm not completely old enough to be on some :old: "this isn't hip hop" shyt

say what you feel breh :myman:
 

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J-Zone's old ass needs to make another album. His perspective is obviously spot-on and the guy makes beats like no other.

Pimps Dont Pay Taxes is one of my favorite rap albums EVER
 

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I guess people automatically label old as good, and new as bad in the Hip-Hop realm. Its pretty ridiculous because even the golden age had some pretty draconian-type social views that are laughable in how deplorable they were. Rap is a bit more open-minded and "cultured" (which is ironic) these days.

At the same time, Hip-Hop as a cultural medium of social change and social criticism...is dead. RIP, pissy ashes in the ocean with fish, six feet under with the worms, DEAD. Thats what irks me personally. Nobody really has anything to say beyond their immediate self-interest and to criticize the Obama administration would result in a PR shytstorm. Zone was able to draw links between "being there" for NWA, and Group Home when Giuliani was going ham.....do we have those kinds of visceral events anymore?

Generational gaps in terms of what sounds better, whats fashionable and whats "realer" is totally subjective, and because hindsight is 20/20 we can see that not everything was rosey in rap back then.

Still, why is rap so APATHETIC now? Is it really because more suburban kids are comfortable grabbing the mic and being themselves? Or is it something else, because the Hip-Hop "experience" is...non-existant as a subculture in 2013? I cant honestly say...
 
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