Leaving Neverland HBO Michael Jackson Documentary

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AlainLocke said:
To me, it's like this. I know for a fact Michael Jackson was a pedophile, that he loved young boys. No normal straight man is faxing love letters to children. He most likely molested the boys.

Michael Jackson created a cult of eternal boyhood and had excuses for anything. He wanted to be around children because everyone was mean. He wanted an amusement park in his backyard because he can't go out in public. He has boys as friends because he never experienced boyhood. Just a lot of immaturity and sheer unreality. Then we, the public, allowed it to go on because he made Thriller. Then when he reached peak dangling a baby out of a window weirdness, he was mocked for it.

People just need to admit that they let talented people get away with being uncivilized and walk all over social norms. You let these people use all types of psychological tricks. Like, "Oh I am just innocent." What innocent person can make a song like Dirty Diana or Keep It In Closet? Michael obviously knows what sex is, especially forbidden sex. He wasn't some ignorant manchild. The man grabbed his crotch and pelvis thrusted for a living, he understood sex. He just made you think he is innocent because it protected him from his weirdness and perversions.

In civilized society, you don't get to make an amusement park in your backyard and invite children over. In civilized society, you don't have sleepovers with young boys. In civilized society people tell you that you are fukked up and don't try to understand perversions as non-perversions. You know many men did not have a childhood? Lots of them, my father was one of them, you know what he does, play video games. He don't hang out with boys.

When Michael Jackson went on primetime TV and said there is nothing wrong with sharing your bed with a child and didn't even try to make that statement seem normal, I was convinced. You can't hide your sickness from the world forever. He over here holding hands with boys while doing that Martin Barshar doc and he just got off a case. I was convinced. If I was accused of child molestation and I just got off with a civil suit, you wouldn't see me around children.

Just like when R.Kelly was asked if he liked teenage girls. He didn't try to say he doesn't like teenage girls. He didn't deny it, he just had a scale. 30 plus year old man, on live TV, talking about he like teenage girls.

We as a society need to stop letting these rich and famous people subvert acceptable behavior because they entertain us. Yeah, you can be greatest entertainer in the world, but you ain't gonna convince me, subvert all common sense, that you are not a pedophile when you boldly state there is nothing wrong with sharing your bed with a kid or having sleepovers and you are 35 plus years old.

These parents of these children should be ashamed of themselves. They are victims too but how in the fukk you really think a grown ass man got interested in a 10 year old, telling your child that he loves him, has good intentions? What grown man loves a child he not related too in anyway? Michael Jackson going around the world as the most desirable man alive and in his hotel room, he don't got women, he got your kid with him.

What do we need, a tape of a sex act?
When as a society we gonna protect the vulnerable for the wealthy and predatory?
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This is all real shyt, and what usually has people ranting and raving at me.

I don't care about the legality of it, Mike got off, OJ got off, R Kelly got off, guilt, innocence :hula:

But you can't paint Mike as some sort of inept man child and then tell me he was a shrewd, genius black revolutionary on the low, it ain't that black or white.

I've said several times that people should go back and watch/read Peter Pan as adults and realize how manipulative and selfish Peter Pan was. When I was a kid I didn't get it, all I could think about is all the fun, the pixie dust magic (money) and all the distraction from the truth of the matter, that Peter, wasn't really a child and that he was staying in Neverland to stunt the growth of actual children so they could worship him, tell stories about him and boost his fragile ego.

I'm not about to 'cancel' Mike, even though I have zero reason to believe with how many people he had to pay off and how much he had a CLEAR compulsion to mingle with children, even in the face of the consequences that nothing inappropriate sexually happened. Even MJ fanantics will cop to that, but they wanna split hairs and stop the progression of boundary pushing on a dime to be comfortable.

Either that or he was indeed an inept man child, so naive from his own childhood abuse and trauma that he didn't know how his behavior looked to the outside world. He knew but he didn't give a fukk, because he had the resources to actually create a space for himself where he could live by his own rules and norms where anybody who could possibly check him about it could be exiled.
 
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SunZoo said:
This is all real shyt, and what usually has people ranting and raving at me.

I don't care about the legality of it, Mike got off, OJ got off, R Kelly got off, guilt, innocence :hula:

But you can't paint Mike as some sort of inept man child and then tell me he was a shrewd, genius black revolutionary on the low, it ain't that black or white.

I've said several times that people should go back and watch/read Peter Pan as adults and realize how manipulative and selfish Peter Pan was. When I was a kid I didn't get it, all I could think about is all the fun, the pixie dust magic (money) and all the distraction from the truth of the matter, that Peter, wasn't really a child and that he was staying in Neverland to stunt the growth of actual children so they could worship him, tell stories about him and boost his fragile ego.

I'm not about to 'cancel' Mike, even though I have zero reason to believe with how many people he had to pay off and how much he had a CLEAR compulsion to mingle with children, even in the face of the consequences that nothing inappropriate sexually happened. Even MJ fanantics will cop to that, but they wanna split hairs and stop the progression of boundary pushing on a dime to be comfortable.

Either that or he was an inept man child, so naive from his own childhood abuse and trauma that he didn't know how his behavior looked to the outside world. He knew but he didn't give a fukk, because he had the resources to actually create a space for himself where he could live by his own rules and norms where anybody who could possibly check him about it could be exiled.
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I agree.

I don't believe in cancelling artists either, I just don't believe in creating separate rules for people just because they have money and they got talent.Just think about the countless poor Black children that did not have a childhood and suffered abuse - they don't turn to children.

Then the money thing, "They just want money."

We live in a capitalistic society, when people wrong you, you get compensated. You know how hard it is to prove sexual assault without DNA evidence? Just the fact that Michael Jackson actually was having sleepovers and actually was befriending children is enough. People say he was searching for a family, no, the reason why he was living with these boys family because he was dating the boys and grooming the adults. James Safechuck and Wade Robson weren't the only ones. Jordan Chandler, Omar Bhetti, Terry Jordan, Emmanuel Lewis, Sean Lennon, Macaulay Culkin, Jordan Spence, Brett Barnes, Frank and Eddie and Dominic Casio, and Anton Schleitier. I don't know how many I am, but that's a lot of children he was best friends with.

We, as the public, are just totally uneducated on how pedophilia works. We think it is a violent act, but it is often not. Pedophiles have dating and mating habits that are similar to dating and mating adults.

Pederasty is real. The grooming of young boys by older men is real.

You are right about Peter Pan. Disney has a habit of taking these fairy tales and distorting them and commericializing them. Peter Pan in the original story was a selfish piece of shyt with an inflated sense of self and stunted emotions. Prime example of childhood, that stage is necessary for our development as human beings - but you are supposed to grow up and start grappling with the reality of human relationships and caring about other people. Michael Jackson and R.Kelly gravitated towards fairy tale archetypes for a reason. Creative people tend to do that.
 
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Ciggavelli said:
I’m not going to comment on his innocence or guilt (I don’t think the doc is going to change minds on either side).

What I thought was interesting were the mixed emotions the two men had. They said MJ molested them, but still felt very sad when he died, and they both seemed to truly love him, despite what they alleged. I’m interested in psychology, so this interplay is fascinating to me. I thought that was the best part of the doc, and it is where it truly shines. Like, that interplay between negative and positive emotions is very intriguing. I’d like to see it explored elsewhere. :ehh:
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i think a lot of people have a love/hate relationship with their molester/abuser. i am not necessarily saying MJ is guilty or not. i always kinda felt like MJ was molested his self so the idea of him doing it too isnt too out of the ordinary i guess...the stories that have been released all just seem mad out of place.
 
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T’Challa’s Heir said:
I posted the link to it on the 1st page.
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The Fed investigation is what I’m referencing.

They investigated him on their own and went all out and you know they don’t play when it comes to black men and they found nothing yet the doc expects me to ignore that and still think MJ is guilty. :patrice:
 
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fukk the producer of this show

i will never watch

Michael Jackson is still the Goat :mj:
 
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Be a grown man and invite young boys over for sleepovers and have nikkas not call you a pedophile brehs:hhh:

The same board that shyts on Spacey or Polanski suddenly gets real :whoa: about MJ.

All these MJ defenders need to answer this easy question.

Would you allow a grown man to invite a young relative of yours over to his house for sleepovers and play at his house and sleep in the same bed?

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Nerdy Brotha said:
The Fed investigation is what I’m referencing.

They investigated him on their own and went all out and you know they don’t play when it comes to black men and they found nothing yet the doc expects me to ignore that and still think MJ is guilty. :patrice:
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I was talking about the FBI investigation. I posted this link


Michael Jackson

On the first page. It’s the FBI file on the investigation.
 
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