Lebron 25 points in 1st qtr

[Malta]

Prime Wade had a much more consistent jumper and better post game than LeBron. He was also a great passer, rebounder, was very good defensively, extremely athletic, with dribbling abilities as well.


I dont even know why you're asking that breh

Much more consistent jumper, word? Care to prove it, cause I got documents doggie

Better post game, word? Care to prove it, cause I got documents on that too doggie


Other than the style points you're rewarding players, care to back up anything you're saying with cold hard numbers breh? Cause a certain someone is statistically the best post up player in the league

 

[madness]

What does skill have to do with 3 point shooting


Is Steve Kerr a skillful PG because he was a great 3 pt shooter?

does it take skill to average 27 points a game while shooting 40% from downtown? yes or no

 

[Victim of Racism]

Bout to join ya breh. A lot of these Laker fakkits don't contribute anything positive anyway.

Not a laker fan. Kobe isn't even 1 of my favorite players. I only have 1 and he has never even averaged 20ppg his whole career. Y'all killin' me over here broadcasting it every time someone goes on your ignore list. Pick on a woman and call her a faq.

 

[Newzz]

No, the quote is from 2002

Breh, you're coming off really Tea Party-ish right now, the quote clearly said what other center other than Hakeem showed all the moves Shaq had, a direct comparison to Hakeem

To play your game. Okay, he mentioned Shaq and Hakeem.


Did he say that Shaq and Hakeem were equal in skill though? No.


That was my post:

Shaq averaged more career points than Hakeem and Tim Duncan. No one would compare Shaq's skill to either of them though........NO ONE

To say Shaq can do some moves and counter moves and saying he can do things on the same level or better than Hakeem, which is what I was implying, is totally different


Shaq didnt have the footwork, post moves, or counter moves on the level of a Hakeem Olajuwon. Flat out.

You go over the history of centers and can you remember anyone, except maybe Hakeem Olajuwon, showing all that? And Hakeem didn't have the power game. I don't like to rate players according to who's best, but none of the great centers had Shaq's moves and counters

So I re-read it again, and he compares Shaq to Hakeem as far as who can do what moves, and THEN says in the very next breath, says none of the great centers had Shaq's moves and counters?



So, either he had a bad memory or he's saying Hakeem isnt a great center. Which one is it?

 

[Malta]

To play your game. Okay, he mentioned Shaq and Hakeem.


Did he say that Shaq and Hakeem were equal in skill though? No.


That was my post:


To say Shaq can do some moves and counter moves and saying he can do things on the same level or better than Hakeem, which is what I was implying, is totally different

He compared them, period, your whole point was that nobody would ever dare to compare their skills, yet the dude that actually taught them compared them


Stop for a second and realize that the man who coached both big men, and helped them develop their games compared them when your point was that nobody would ever do such a thing. You tried to make it sound like Shaq was some unskilled oaf, when the moves, counters and footwork are why he was such a nightmare.

Shaq didnt have the footwork, post moves, or counter moves on the level of a Hakeem Olajuwon. Flat out.



So I re-read it again, and he compares Shaq to Hakeem as far as who can do what moves, and THEN says in the very next breath, says none of the great centers had Shaq's moves and counters?



So, either he had a bad memory or he's saying Hakeem isnt a great center. Which one is it?

He clearly pointed out that Hakeem was the exception

 

[Kaypain]

Is anyone going to argue that he fizzled out? If your only comeback is "they won the game", it can be argued that Bosh played a bigger factor than he did.

What about Lebrons defensive effort in the 4th?

 

[madness]

Not a laker fan. Kobe isn't even 1 of my favorite players. I only have 1 and he has never even averaged 20ppg his whole career. Y'all killin' me over here broadcasting it every time someone goes on your ignore list. Pick on a woman and call her a faq.

you're a female?

 

[DaRock]

What does skill have to do with 3 point shooting


Is Steve Kerr a skillful PG because he was a great 3 pt shooter?

....you just answered your own question and didn't even know it...if Kerr was NOT a skillful PG, then why was he a part of so many championships teams......

maybe because he has the SKILL to shoot the 3pt shot at a high%.....hate to break it to you but 3pt shooting is a basketball skill..

 

[Newzz]

Much more consistent jumper, word? Care to prove it, cause I got documents doggie

Better post game, word? Care to prove it, cause I got documents on that too doggie


Other than the style points you're rewarding players, care to back up anything you're saying with cold hard numbers breh? Cause a certain someone is statistically the best post up player in the league

You have numbers?


Stats dont tell how good your post game is breh, and if I would've done that in arguments about Kobe vs Duncan you would've killed me


How dare you go brand new on me


I cant believe my boy Malta is resorting to stats to prove who has the better post game/arsenal

 

[Malta]

You have numbers?


Stats dont tell how good your post game is breh, and if I would've done that in arguments about Kobe vs Duncan you would've killed me


How dare you go brand new on me


I cant believe my boy Malta is resorting to stats to prove who has the better post game/arsenal

What exactly are you bringing to the table then, you don't have stats and you dudes always want to throw them out, as though the biased eyes you're viewing the game through are a much better barometer.

So, I'm just supposed to take your word for it that prime Wade was a better post player, when the numbers say otherwise, or that he had a more consistent jumper even though LeBron is a better 3 point shooter and his eFG on his jumper the last 4 years is higher than Wade's at any point of his career. You only want to throw out stats cause they don't fit your argument, you were just dapping up that other dude who used stats in his post but now you're like

Where are the documents doggie? And what is this "arsenal" either you're effective from the post or you're not, I don't give style points to dudes for having pretty turn arounds only to ultimately miss the shot. Prove your case, or

 

[Newzz]

He compared them, period, your whole point was that nobody would ever dare to compare their skills, yet the dude that actually taught them compared them


Stop for a second and realize that the man who coached both big men, and helped them develop their games compared them when your point was that nobody would ever do such a thing. You tried to make it sound like Shaq was some unskilled oaf, when the moves, counters and footwork are why he was such a nightmare.




He clearly pointed out that Hakeem was the exception

If I implied Shaq was just an oversized player, my bad. He wasnt.


He was skilled, however, not as skilled as the elite....Hakeem Olajuwon. Just like LeBron. He's skilled, but not as skilled as the elite.....Jordan/Kobe.


I tried to point out there were 2 Shaqs though. The "Orlando" Shaq who was a PERFECT mix of skill/size/power and then "LA" Shaq who was all power/size, rarely used his skill. The skill was not there as it was in his Orlando days.

 

[Kaypain]

What court vision? He saw Ray before he penetrated, which is why he pretended like he was going to shoot it. Bron averages 1.8 assists for every turnover at 6.6 assists with 3.5 turnovers. CP3 averages 4.2 assists for every turnover at 11.1 assists with 2.6 turnovers. CP3 would have to turn the ball over 6.1 times per game to get his 11.1 assists at Bron efficiency. Turnovers are a result of bad ball-handling. The better your vision, timing, and accuracy is, the more you will complete your passes. Raymond Felton's averages 2.6 and his career high average is 9 and he was on the Bobcats and he's not even a top Point Guard. Mario averages 2 assists per turnover. Kobe only averages 0.2 less assists per turnover (0.2 less last season) than Lj, despite Lj playing PG his entire career. 'Melo averages 0.8 less assists per turnover for their careers (0.6 less this season) and 'Melo is his exact size and has never played Point Guard, never been the primary ball-handler on his teams. It's been guys like Billups, Felton, Beno, Pablo etc. Lj is down there with the bottom-feeders.

'Melo is a better rebounder and the better ball-handler. Kobe is a good defender and Lj is horrendous at defense. One-dimensional?

Kobe and 'Melo have worked on their shooting so much that they don't need to be big and fast to be effective. They can shoot from the perimeter with good defenders draped all over them with consistency. If Lj had to do that, he wouldn't score. A few months ago, I watched that Lakers/Denver WCF series and just about every shot Kobe took was turn-around fade-aways on one 1 foot and other tough shots like it. He still shot 48% from the field and 62.7% True Shooting, which is just .

He shoots 45% from the field and 55% True Shooting for his career with few easy baskets. 'Melo's numbers are similar. Last season, 'Melo shot 56.9% on 65 turn-around fade-aways. He's efficient on fade-aways over double-teams and other tough shots like it. Chuckers? Chuckers don't shoot efficiently. Let me find out that by “chuckers” you mean taking difficult shots because I just went over that and it don't look good for Lj.

A wall of text that amounts to nothing...

 

[Malta]

If I implied Shaq was just an oversized player, my bad. He wasnt.


He was skilled, however, not as skilled as the elite....Hakeem Olajuwon. Just like LeBron. He's skilled, but not as skilled as the elite.....Jordan/Kobe.


I tried to point out there were 2 Shaqs though. The "Orlando" Shaq who was a PERFECT mix of skill/size/power and then "LA" Shaq who was all power/size, rarely used his skill. The skill was not there as it was in his Orlando days.

Shaq in Orlando wasn't nearly as skilled as he was in LA, he relied almost completely on his athleticism in Orlando.

LA Shaq had moves, counters and better footwork, you're getting these two iterations of Shaq mixed up.

 

[Newzz]

....you just answered your own question and didn't even know it...if Kerr was NOT a skillful PG, then why was he a part of so many championships teams......

maybe because he has the SKILL to shoot the 3pt shot at a high%.....hate to break it to you but 3pt shooting is a basketball skill..

I'm comparing the technique and skills of LeBron to Jordan/Kobe/Prime Wade and the response is "LeBron shoots 40% from 3, that means he has skill like them"


And then you come outta nowhere and say: "If Kerr wasnt a skillful PG, then why was he a part of so many championship teams"



Come on breh.....rethink that one over


Derek Fisher has 5 rings as a STARTING PG. How much skill did he have in comparision to Isiah Thomas who had 2






I'll wait..............

 

[Newzz]

Shaq in Orlando wasn't nearly as skilled as he was in LA, he relied almost completely on his athleticism in Orlando.

LA Shaq had moves, counters and better footwork, you're getting these two iterations of Shaq mixed up.

Maybe. It's been a long day at work.


But my point still stands, just reverse them in your head