Lebron and the double standard....Took this from a poster on realGM

[RedBull]

this ties in with that other thread. Kobe has benefited the most from superstar teammates, management, and coaching more than anyone in the history of not only the NBA, but in sports total

This is what I was responding to. What you are saying isn't co-signing that, so if you arent in agreement with him, whats your point?

1. That looks an awful lot like a comparison. If you didn't intend for it to be that's fine however when you phrase a sentence like that there is no other real way to take it.

2. All-star appearance don't tell the whole story. Yeah Pau was the only all-star however if the other two guys weren't there they prolly don't win. The depth and versatility was key there. Beyond that they weren't playing against those teams you mentioned so how they stack up to them is immaterial. The issue is how they stacked up against the current competition and nobody was fukkin with that front court and Kobe. They were stacked by the standards of the era in which they played.

3. Saying he was fortunate does not downgrade him. Saying his fortune was the only reason he did some of the things he did as an indiviudal would be downgrading him and I don't see anyone doing that.

Again, wtf are you talking about?

Bottomline, Kobe HAS NOT benefitted the most from superstar teammates, management, and coaching more than anyone in the history of not only the NBA, but in sports total, like the poster said. Now, if you agree, then show me how he has.

 

[FukkaPaidEmail]

The difference is that Melo,Barkley,Howard and etc were not the best player in the NBA/hailed as the Next Jordan.It would've been like MJ going to Philly to team up with Charles or ATL with 'Nique.

Thread really doesn't need to be made though.nikkas don't give a fukk anymore.Also,Hobe and 'Brons situations are not the same.Let's not compare it.Hobe didn't run away.

 

[OG Talk]

How was it a 'great' idea? A press conference would have created just as much buzz and he wouldnt have come across looking like a jackass.

I list the pros and you list the cons and lets see who has the better argument...


David Stern doesn't think it was a terrible idea...


ESPN/ABC doesn't think it was a terrible idea...



TNT doesn't think it was a terrible idea


The Boys and Girls Club of America don't think it was a terrible idea..


The record number of viewers that tuned in didn't think it was a terrible idea (until they found out that their team wasn't his choice)



The last point is the most damning to your argument...America KNEW what they were getting and still chose to tune in in record numbers..


Can you complain about The Kardashians? Sure...


Can you complain about the Kardashians while giving them Nielsen ratings in your living room?



20 years from now LeBron/Decision critics will be accuratly viewed as the buffoons and followers that they were...

 

[threattonature]

Ray Allen and Michael Redd both passed when Bron was locked up in his second deal. Artest and Sheed were both looking for short term deals anyway. Beyond that the fact that Bron was the only attractive thing about Cleveland doesn't exactly help matters. nikkas would go to LA if Kobe wasn't there. They'd go to MIA if Wade wasn't there. They would go to NY if Melo wasn't there.

I agree about the location being a problem with players wanting to go to Cleveland. But everybody knew Lebron had that out after year 3 so again who'd take the chance of going there. I thought Ray Allen and Redd both accepted bigger deals instead of taking a pay cut to go to Cleveland.

Gotta disagree with the bolded as well. It's time to acknowledge that Brons' criticism was all about hurt feelings and fear and just plain old fashioned hating. You are right...nobody gave a fukk about Cleveland, however many people tried to play the "poor Cleveland" card. I've said it a thousand times, if nikkas had such an issue with the nikka having a special they wouldn't have watched in record numbers. The Dwight situation is proof nikkas were full of it with Bron. nikkas acknowledge he acted like a bytch and yet the hue and cry and outrage over him going to LA was a mere fraction of a percent of what Bron got and died down almost immediately. Meanwhile Bron had to wear "The Decision" albatross around his neck for two years until he won. As I said then the issue was Bron having a special, or playing with stars, or leaving Cleveland it was all about him doing so in the wrong city. Now that he's won a ring nobody really gives a fukk though.

Anybody playing the poor Cleveland card was on some bullshyt. The man was a free agent and has the right to choose where to play. But the main outrage I heard then and even now was that it took the easy way out by joining with one of his top competitors. The reason the fury over Lebron was much louder is because he's the biggest name in all of sports. That would be like asking why Phil Mickelson cheating on his wife wouldn't get as much attention as Tiger doing. Some athletes transcend into pop culture so that anything they do is magnified. In the grand scheme of things nobody gives a fukk about Dwight Howard like that.

 

[Brozay]

I list the pros and you list the cons and lets see who has the better argument...


David Stern doesn't think it was a terrible idea...


ESPN/ABC doesn't think it was a terrible idea...



TNT doesn't think it was a terrible idea


The Boys and Girls Club of America don't think it was a terrible idea..


The record number of viewers that tuned in didn't think it was a terrible idea (until they found out that their team wasn't his choice)



The last point is the most damning to your argument...America KNEW what they were getting and still chose to tune in in record numbers..


Can you complain about The Kardashians? Sure...


Can you complain about the Kardashians while giving them Nielsen ratings in your living room?



20 years from now LeBron/Decision critics will be accuratly viewed as the buffoons and followers that they were...

When are you going to list the pros?

This post is a bunch of nothingness. It was almost universally agreed that it was a disaster, I'm not going to listen to any revisionist history 2 years after the fact.

Lebron has even said it was a bad idea.

 

[FTBS]

This is what I was responding to. What you are saying isn't co-signing that, so if you arent in agreement with him, whats your point?




Again, wtf are you talking about?

Bottomline, Kobe HAS NOT benefitted the most from superstar teammates, management, and coaching more than anyone in the history of not only the NBA, but in sports total, like the poster said. Now, if you agree, then show me how he has.

I agree about the location being a problem with players wanting to go to Cleveland. But everybody knew Lebron had that out after year 3 so again who'd take the chance of going there. I thought Ray Allen and Redd both accepted bigger deals instead of taking a pay cut to go to Cleveland.





Anybody playing the poor Cleveland card was on some bullshyt. The man was a free agent and has the right to choose where to play. But the main outrage I heard then and even now was that it took the easy way out by joining with one of his top competitors. The reason the fury over Lebron was much louder is because he's the biggest name in all of sports. That would be like asking why Phil Mickelson cheating on his wife wouldn't get as much attention as Tiger doing. Some athletes transcend into pop culture so that anything they do is magnified. In the grand scheme of things nobody gives a fukk about Dwight Howard like that.

I get that however it's not like Dwight is some nobody. His "will he or won't he" drama got a ridiculous amount of coverage. He's not as big a star as Bron by any means but he's a pretty big star in his own right. The shyt he pulled, which by any fair measure was worse, went away almost immediately. That can't happen if people are being consistent. Beyond that if you have a moral issue with something (playing with stars, leaving a small market) then the level of stardom shouldnt' matter.

 

[NYC Rebel]

I agree about the location being a problem with players wanting to go to Cleveland. But everybody knew Lebron had that out after year 3 so again who'd take the chance of going there. I thought Ray Allen and Redd both accepted bigger deals instead of taking a pay cut to go to Cleveland.





Anybody playing the poor Cleveland card was on some bullshyt. The man was a free agent and has the right to choose where to play. But the main outrage I heard then and even now was that it took the easy way out by joining with one of his top competitors. The reason the fury over Lebron was much louder is because he's the biggest name in all of sports. That would be like asking why Phil Mickelson cheating on his wife wouldn't get as much attention as Tiger doing. Some athletes transcend into pop culture so that anything they do is magnified. In the grand scheme of things nobody gives a fukk about Dwight Howard like that.

Why are you fronting like there wasn't a LOUD contingent saying he should have stayed in Cleveland to create his own legacy?

You CANT be serious.

 

[FTBS]

This is what I was responding to. What you are saying isn't co-signing that, so if you arent in agreement with him, whats your point?




Again, wtf are you talking about?

Bottomline, Kobe HAS NOT benefitted the most from superstar teammates, management, and coaching more than anyone in the history of not only the NBA, but in sports total, like the poster said. Now, if you agree, then show me how he has.

This is what I was responding to.

So this is going to be the new knock on Kobe? Kobe never had a team filled with stars and coaches in their primes like Magic Johnson did, Larry Bird did, Jordan did, Lebron (with Miami) did and Shaq did. Kobe was a sidekick and since Shaq left Kobe had only ONE sidekick worthy of being an all-star.....Pau. Don't bing up oft injured Andrew Bynum, he didnt do anything in the 3 finals appearances and 2 finals wins. Kobe NOW has a "super" team full of amost Larry Holmes status players in himself,Pau, Artest and Nash. Howard is the only player who will there in 3 years. So in short, you are wrong.

Everything I said related to this post. No I don't agree that Kobe has been the most fortunate ever in sports history however he has been pretty damn fortunate and that point is often overlooked in order to fellate him. The rest of what I said was a direct reference to points you made.

 

[threattonature]

Why are you fronting like there wasn't a LOUD contingent saying he should have stayed in Cleveland to create his own legacy?

You CANT be serious.

Why are you fronting like the LOUDEST contigent was about him taking a shortcut to a title? Or are you going to tell me all the former players coming out were speaking on the fact that Lebron should've stayed in Cleveland?

There was some rumble about how he should've stayed in Cleveland usually as a sidenote but what everybody was speaking on was how he's punking out. You had the Magic's and Bird's saying how they wanted to beat each other not team together. Barkley talking about how he would rather not have a title versus teaming with Michael and riding coattails to get one.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Why are you fronting like the LOUDEST contigent was about him taking a shortcut to a title? Or are you going to tell me all the former players coming out were speaking on the fact that Lebron should've stayed in Cleveland?

There was some rumble about how he should've stayed in Cleveland usually as a sidenote but what everybody was speaking on was how he's punking out. You had the Magic's and Bird's saying how they wanted to beat each other not team together. Barkley talking about how he would rather not have a title versus teaming with Michael and riding coattails to get one.

A rumble? All of that shyt was tied. About how other players didn't leave. Come on man...you're bsing now.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

this ties in with that other thread. Kobe has benefited the most from superstar teammates, management, and coaching more than anyone in the history of not only the NBA, but in sports total

Hey, it's GOAT franchise shyt. LeBron claimin crowns but Kobe has been brought up like royalty his whole career the shyt's ironic...

 

[Regular_P]

It was more about how he did it and teaming up with what most believe should have been one of his chief rivals than him actually leaving.

I guarantee if he would have went to the Knicks, the only backlash would have been coming from Cleveland. They still could have won it all and he would have saved Amar'e's knees, thus, his career. D'Antoni ran Stoudemire into the ground that first season and that's why he's broken down now.

LeBron woulda been immortal if he led NYK to a championship. I'm not even a Knicks fan, but I wish he'da gone there. The Garden would be unreal with him there every night.

 

[RedBull]

This is what I was responding to. What you are saying isn't co-signing that, so if you arent in agreement with him, whats your point?



Again, wtf are you talking about?

Bottomline, Kobe HAS NOT benefitted the most from superstar teammates, management, and coaching more than anyone in the history of not only the NBA, but in sports total, like the poster said. Now, if you agree, then show me how he has.

for the bolded, thank you.

Now, who is over looking how fortunate he was/is? where was that in my statements? In that case everyone of those players/teams that I initally mentioned are being overlooked in order to fellate, because THEY ALL were more fortunate than him.

FYI, why am I arguing for Kobe that nikka!

 

[Street Knowledge]

This thread has been made over and over and over and over again

 

[Loose]

This is the biggest hock of shyt there is about him leaving.

Niqqa...he took those wins with him, he didn't leave a 60 win team.



And niqqas have the nerve to say Lebron wasn't faulted for leaving Cleveland.

This post above shows how bullshyt it is to believe he wasn't criticized for leaving Cleveland.

you do realize that entire team left basically right? not only lebron?. Varejao was injured, shaq left, hickson traded, delonte left, mo williams traded, big z went to miami.