Lebron is now the all time leading scorer in playoff history passing MJ :mjcry:

[Professor Emeritus]

When Kobe came into the league the game was more competitive tho. His first few years were prolly tougher than Bron's.

It's not fair to compare players from different generations and eras.

The team that swept the Lakers in 1997 and 1998, Kobe's 1st two years.

Stockton (35-year-old 6'1" White guy)
Hornacek (34-year-old 6'4" White guy)
Byron Russell
Malone (34 years old)
Ostertag


The team that swept the Lakers in 1999, Kobe's 3rd year

Avery Johnson (33 years old)
Mario Ellie (35 years old)
Sean Elliott
Tim Duncan (2nd year in league)
David Robinson (33 years old)


The team that nearly beat the Lakers in seven in 2000, Kobe's 4th year

Stoudamire
Steve Smith (30 years old)
Pippen (34 years old)
Sheed
Sabonis (35 years old)


The team that nearly beat the Lakers in six in 2002, Kobe's 6th year

Bibby
Christie (31 years old)
Turkoglu
Webber
Divac (33 years old)


Each year the toughest team they would have had to face was basically one star, a couple badly aging guys who used to be good, and a couple role players. In the 1998 Finals the Jazz only had ONE guy besides Malone average double figures, and that was Hornacek with 10.7ppg on 41% shooting. The Spurs in the 1999 Finals only had three guys in double digits, and one was Mario Ellie barely making it. The Blazers in the 2000 WCF only had three guys in double digits. Only the Kings were a balanced team...and we all saw how that series should have gone. These weren't loaded teams Kobe was facing, especially at the shooting guard position.

 

[Wiirdo]

The team that swept the Lakers in 1997 and 1998, Kobe's 1st two years.

Stockton (35-year-old 6'1" White guy)
Hornacek (34-year-old 6'4" White guy)
Byron Russell
Malone (34 years old)
Ostertag


The team that swept the Lakers in 1999, Kobe's 3rd year

Avery Johnson (33 years old)
Mario Ellie (35 years old)
Sean Elliott
Tim Duncan (2nd year in league)
David Robinson (33 years old)


The team that nearly beat the Lakers in seven in 2000, Kobe's 4th year

Stoudamire
Steve Smith (30 years old)
Pippen (34 years old)
Sheed
Sabonis (35 years old)


The team that nearly beat the Lakers in six in 2002, Kobe's 6th year

Bibby
Christie (31 years old)
Turkoglu
Webber
Divac (33 years old)


Each year the toughest team they would have had to face was basically one star, a couple badly aging guys who used to be good, and a couple role players. In the 1998 Finals the Jazz only had ONE guy besides Malone average double figures, and that was Hornacek with 10.7ppg on 41% shooting. The Spurs in the 1999 Finals only had three guys in double digits, and one was Mario Ellie barely making it. The Blazers in the 2000 WCF only had three guys in double digits. Only the Kings were a balanced team...and we all saw how that series should have gone. These weren't loaded teams Kobe was facing, especially at the shooting guard position.

Lowkey LeBron has directly matched up with some great players and great defensive players in his playoff career

Paul Pierce
Kevin Durant
Kawhi Leonard
Andre Iguodala
Paul George
Jimmy Butler
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Tayshaun Prince
Carmelo Anthony
Shawn Marion
Bruce Bowen

That's a crazy list to be putting them numbers up against

 

[Supreme365]

Kobe fans are truly kobe fans. Lebron fans are just kobe-haters who found a guy through which to canalize their hate.

Kobe fans are Kobe fans but Kobe stans are delusional haters same with lebron stans,mj stans and any other stans

 

[Supreme365]

LEBRON PLAYIN WIT A PRIME SHAQ WOULD AVERAGE 15 PPG MAX

You a damn lie Shaq and lebron would be magic and kareem 2.0

 

[Dwight Howard]

has Kobe hopped from team to team to form superteams?

 

[Nintendough]

Yeah in a critical playoff situation give me Kobe over Bron any night.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

let's see how Bron stans spin this.

I haven't seen one bron Stan even attempt to defend this

You're full of shyt - people have responded to this fake stat for years, and you know it. It ignores all of Lebron's 2012 and 2016 playoff wins, and it counts all of Kobe's 1998-2004 wins as his even though Shaq was the team leader, not Kobe. Responding to the same stupid ancient graphic over and over just gets tiring. I'll cut-and-paste:


Lebron's victories over 50-win teams since he first entered playoffs in 2006 (12 series in 13 seasons):

2016 Warriors: 73 wins
2016 Raptors: 56 wins
2015 Hawks: 60 wins
2015 Bulls: 50 wins
2014 Pacers: 56 wins
2013 Spurs: 58 wins
2012 Thunder: (on pace for 58 wins)
2012 Pacers: (on pace for 52 wins)
2012 Celtics: (on pace for 50 wins)
2011 Bulls: 62 wins
2011 Celtics: 56 wins
2007 Pistons: 53 wins


Kobe's victories over 50-win teams since he became the team leader in 2005 (10 series in 12 seasons):

2010 Celtics: 50 wins
2010 Suns: 54 wins
2010 Jazz: 53 wins
2010 Thunder: 50 wins
2009 Magic: 59 wins
2009 Nuggets: 54 wins
2009 Rockets: 53 wins
2008 Spurs: 56 wins
2008 Jazz: 54 wins
2008 Nuggets: 50 wins


Only difference is that Lebron won a title in a lockout year where teams only played 66 games, and Kobe faced a lot of teams that barely hit that arbitrary barrier of "50 wins". Like Kobe beating the 50-win 2008 Nuggets was somehow more impressive than Lebron beating the 49-win 2013 Pacers?

Let's pick a different arbitrary line.

Kobe only beat two 55-win teams! Lebron's beaten eight such teams already.

Kobe beat ZERO 60-win teams! Lebron's beaten three such teams already.

Kobe beat ZERO 70-win teams! We all know what Lebron did.

LeBron played more minutes on average, he should have more points. Kobe also faced tougher competition and its not close

Lebron averages 23.9 points per 36 in the playoffs, Kobe averages 23.5 points per 36 in the playoffs. So Lebron still has Kobe beat on the per-minute basis too.

And, of course, Kobe ONLY gets that close to Lebron by shooting more. Lebron gets his 23.9 points on 17.7 shots with 48% shooting, Kobe needs 18.7 shots per 36 with 45% shooting to still come up a half-point short.


And the "Kobe also faced tougher competition and its not close" is complete bullshyt and you already know that. Lebron faced far more steller defenses in his playoff career than Kobe ever did. Pistons (3 times), Celtics (4 times), Spurs (3 times), Bulls (4 times), Pacers (4 times), Warriors (2 times) kill the defenses that Kobe faced.

 

[New Username]

Need to smiley the breh to kobes left.

Left ?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Yeah in a critical playoff situation give me Kobe over Bron any night.

Kobe career stats in elimination games: 22.3ppg, 6.4rpg, 3.6apg, 1.1spg, 0.8bpg, 41% shooting, 31% threes (26-85), 77% line. 19 games with a 9-10 record.

Lebron career stats in elimination games: 32.6ppg, 10.8rpg, 7.1apg, 1.6spg, 1.1bpg, 47% shooting, 32% threes (35-108), 73% line. 18 games with a 10-8 record.


I mean, Kobe has the "airballs" game against 1997 Utah, the "giving up" game against 2006 Phoenix, the "6-24" game 7 against 2010 Boston, and lost the series against 2003 San Antonio, 2004 Detroit, 2008 Boston, and 2011 Dallas going away meekly getting blown out in embarrassing fashion.

Lebron has the 48 game against Detroit, the 45-point Game 7 against Boston, the 40-18-9 game when they were down 2-1 to Indiana and Bosh was out, the 45-15-5 game when they were down 3-2 facing elimination against Boston, the 32-11-12 and 37-12-6 games with huge jumpers when they were down 3-2 against San Antonio, and of course those three monster games (41-8-13, 41-11-9, and 27-11-11 with "The Block") against the Warriors last year.

How many times has Kobe really come up in a "critical" playoff situation? He's built almost his whole playoff rep on blowout series against inferior opponents with his team in the lead.

 

[Nintendough]

Kobe career stats in elimination games: 22.3ppg, 6.4rpg, 3.6apg, 1.1spg, 0.8bpg, 41% shooting, 31% threes (26-85), 77% line. 19 games with a 9-10 record.

Lebron career stats in elimination games: 32.6ppg, 10.8rpg, 7.1apg, 1.6spg, 1.1bpg, 47% shooting, 32% threes (35-108), 73% line. 18 games with a 10-8 record.


I mean, Kobe has the "airballs" game against Utah, the "giving up" game against Phoenix, the "6-24" game against Boston, and lost the series against San Antonio, Detroit, Boston, and Dallas where he went away meekly getting blown out in embarrassing fashion.

Lebron has the 48 game against Detroit, the 45-point Game 7 against Boston, the 40-18-9 game when they were down 2-1 to Indiana and Bosh was out, the 45-15-5 game when they were down 3-2 facing elimination against Boston, the 32-11-12 and 37-12-6 games with huge jumpers when they were down 3-2 against San Antonio, and of course those three monster games against the Warriors last year.

How many times has Kobe really come up in a "critical" playoff situation? He's built almost his whole playoff rep on blowout series against inferior opponents with his team in the lead.

Yeah I don't speak CAC. Somebody goin have to pass me and thesaurus or some shyt ayo

 

[dayun]

Left ?

Yeah left

 

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

Kobe career stats in elimination games: 22.3ppg, 6.4rpg, 3.6apg, 1.1spg, 0.8bpg, 41% shooting, 31% threes (26-85), 77% line. 19 games with a 9-10 record.

Lebron career stats in elimination games: 32.6ppg, 10.8rpg, 7.1apg, 1.6spg, 1.1bpg, 47% shooting, 32% threes (35-108), 73% line. 18 games with a 10-8 record.


I mean, Kobe has the "airballs" game against Utah, the "giving up" game against Phoenix, the "6-24" game against Boston, and lost the series against San Antonio, Detroit, Boston, and Dallas where he went away meekly getting blown out in embarrassing fashion.

Lebron has the 48 game against Detroit, the 45-point Game 7 against Boston, the 40-18-9 game when they were down 2-1 to Indiana and Bosh was out, the 45-15-5 game when they were down 3-2 facing elimination against Boston, the 32-11-12 and 37-12-6 games with huge jumpers when they were down 3-2 against San Antonio, and of course those three monster games (41-8-13, 41-11-9, and 27-11-11 with "The Block") against the Warriors last year.

How many times has Kobe really come up in a "critical" playoff situation? He's built almost his whole playoff rep on blowout series against inferior opponents with his team in the lead.

Nick wright my nikka chill
When Kobe was like 22-23 he was putting on iconic shows even as a second option. Nikka put up 28.1 in the RS, 29 in the OFFS. 25 and 27 in 2001/2002 finals respectively.

Pacers on a bad foot

Pacers again 26 10 &4


76ers 32-6-3


76ers 31-8-6


48 on the Kings 01


Nets super clutch 36-6-4



40 on the Spurs 01

Now wtf was Bron doing? Going 22 on 35% against the Spurs when he was the same age Kobe was in 2001? Yea he didn't have Shaq, but then we went on to score all of 8 points with prime bosh and Wade. Kobe always will be respected amongst the younger crowd as we see today. Nikka put up super star numbers for 4 out of his 5 rings. Bron had to go to Miami to even win one and went 2 out of 4 with them and 1 out of 3, soon to be 1 out of 4, with Cleveland. Kobe went 3-1 under Shaq and 2-1 without shaq. Matter a fact Ima be nice and remove the 2000 finals since kobe only put up 15 on 38%

That means kobe went 2-1 under Shaq and 2-1 as the leader. Lebron is 3 out of 7, soon to be 3 out of 8 against a western conference that kobe had to battle to even make it to the finals. So why you keep overusing "lebron beat tougher teams" when he LOST more than he won against them? Am I suppose to be impressed this nikka needed miracles and epic choke jobs to even win 2 out of his 3? As the greatest player in the world even needing miracles, chose fest a suspension and injuries to come back from 3-1 when he shouldn't even had been down to begin with.

 

[madness]

take that for data

 

[Manuel Hot Pepper Lopez]

Dudes putting in hours of research and making term papers....If you nikkas put this kind of effort into something other than defending other men's honor and arguing you probably could do something really wonderful for the world

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Kobe career stats in elimination games: 22.3ppg, 6.4rpg, 3.6apg, 1.1spg, 0.8bpg, 41% shooting, 31% threes (26-85), 77% line. 19 games with a 9-10 record.

Lebron career stats in elimination games: 32.6ppg, 10.8rpg, 7.1apg, 1.6spg, 1.1bpg, 47% shooting, 32% threes (35-108), 73% line. 18 games with a 10-8 record.


I mean, Kobe has the "airballs" game against 1997 Utah, the "giving up" game against 2006 Phoenix, the "6-24" game 7 against 2010 Boston, and lost the series against 2003 San Antonio, 2004 Detroit, 2008 Boston, and 2011 Dallas going away meekly getting blown out in embarrassing fashion.

Lebron has the 48 game against Detroit, the 45-point Game 7 against Boston, the 40-18-9 game when they were down 2-1 to Indiana and Bosh was out, the 45-15-5 game when they were down 3-2 facing elimination against Boston, the 32-11-12 and 37-12-6 games with huge jumpers when they were down 3-2 against San Antonio, and of course those three monster games (41-8-13, 41-11-9, and 27-11-11 with "The Block") against the Warriors last year.

How many times has Kobe really come up in a "critical" playoff situation? He's built almost his whole playoff rep on blowout series against inferior opponents with his team in the lead.

Yeah I don't speak CAC. Somebody going have to pass me and thesaurus or some shyt ayo

You can't be that fukking dumb.

You one of those morons trying to keep the community down, say I'm speaking "CAC" because I used the word, what? "Embarrassing"???

Nick wright my nikka chill
When Kobe was like 22-23 he was putting on iconic shows even as a second option. Nikka put up 28.1 in the RS, 29 in the OFFS. 25 and 27 in 2001/2002 finals respectively.

The question was what Kobe did in CRITICAL moments, not what he did in easy blowout series when he ain't even the focus of the defense.


And don't give me the "losing in the Finals worse than losing in the 1st round" bullshyt.

Kobe's real record is 5 for 20. And it's only 2 for 12 when he was the headliner after Shaq left.

Lebron's real record is 3 for 13.

None of this "but it don't count if they lose even quicker!" bullshyt.