LeBron James and Anthony Davis have expressed growing concern that the Lakers roster is not good enough and feel like changes need to be made

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I didn't say he can't play the 5 I said the team would optimize his and their skill set/potential by playing another quality big...and a GM's job should always be to optimize your roster not by getting your players to do what they can do but what their best at doing. Secondly I don't know what defensive impact numbers you're referencing but the team won a championship with him playing the 4 not the 5 and that was his best all around season as a Laker, since then the Lakers have went from being ranked 1st in team defense to 22nd in team defense since last running him fully at 4, not to mention the rebounding which as I said is terrible so its pretty obvious why he's resisting when they haven't been able to match that level of play since. Don't known why you're arguing that reality.

The whole league also has not said that he should be a 5, his own team didn't even think that when they acquired him which is why he only played that role in spurts and I just explained to why he would be better optimized roaming at the 4 vs 5. Bottom line is he's not an idiot and understands basketball enough to know what works best for him. Certainly more than you or I would, so if he's telling you what will work why are you so defiantly denying it? Why would an organization purposely go against what one of their stars understands will help benefit his game and the team? What are you trying to prove by doing that? It just doesn't make much sense and on an organizational level it certainly looks silly.
He knows what works for him because it means a little less banging and hanging on the perimter. Somewhere AD does NOT need to be. And I'm all but sure he's played more at this point at the 5 since he's been a Laker then not so again I don't see what the issue is when he has thrived there and looked like the best player in the world at times the past 3 seasons playing the FIVE. A lot of cats are delusional and want to play another position but it doesn't mean they are right. AD for all the "guard" skills that he supposedly has since Kentucky to now has always thrived best being the center.
 

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He knows what works for him because.... it means a little less banging and hanging on the perimter.
....It worked before :gucci: like I don't even know what you're trying to argue at this point
Somewhere AD does NOT need to be. And I'm all but sure he's played more at this point at the 5 since he's been a Laker then not so again I don't see what the issue is when he has thrived there
But the team hasn't, and their defense hasn't. Those are just the facts brother so I don't know what's not computing to you and why are you so hellbent on going against those facts? Again I don't know what you're trying to argue here when the results have already been established
and looked like the best player in the world at times the past 3 seasons playing the FIVE.
His first season with the Lakers where he played his natural PF role was his best season statistically and undoubtedly their best season as a team, again you're arguing against that reality... why?
A lot of cats are delusional and want to play another position but it doesn't mean they are right. AD for all the "guard" skills that he supposedly has since Kentucky to now has always thrived best being the center.
You're the only one sounding delusional denying that they won a championship and the team had their best defense with him playing alongside another big, why? who knows :manny: lol
 

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AD playing center the past 3 seasons has resulted in the best numbers of his career and ironically the most healthy he has been the last couple of seasons. He is not playing in an era with a lot of banging so I don't know why he's bytching. One day when Brook is gone Giannis will be a center too and I don't think he will fuss about it at all as I think he should have been there years ago just like AD.

AD is best optimized as a 4 defensively, especially on this team. That's the best way to take advantage of his switching ability, his length, and his defensive playmaking. Double big lineups are the easiest way to have a good defense in the NBA-- playoff teams like MIL, CLE, MEM, BOS, all have at least two bigs that play simultaneously. Cleveland starts two short guards that are bad defensively and are still able to produce a top 10 defense because of the ground Mobley/Allen cover.

They've been experimenting with Hayes/AD lineups for the last few games and those lineups have been positive against good teams. Mind you, that's with bum ass Jaxson Hayes. They'll still be able to close games with AD at the five but having at least 20 minutes of AD next to a competent center is the best way to add versatility to the team and juice the defense.
 

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AD is best optimized as a 4 defensively, especially on this team. That's the best way to take advantage of his switching ability, his length, and his defensive playmaking. Double big lineups are the easiest way to have a good defense in the NBA-- playoff teams like MIL, CLE, MEM, BOS, all have at least two bigs that play simultaneously. Cleveland starts two short guards that are bad defensively and are still able to produce a top 10 defense because of the ground Mobley/Allen cover.

They've been experimenting with Hayes/AD lineups for the last few games and those lineups have been positive against good teams. Mind you, that's with bum ass Jaxson Hayes. They'll still be able to close games with AD at the five but having at least 20 minutes of AD next to a competent center is the best way to add versatility to the team and juice the defense.

I can see them getting a stretch 4 but I'll stand by AD being better at center and the numbers bear that. Milwaukee has Brook who is a shooter. Bpston has one true big in Kristaps or Al and both of them can stretch the floor. The Grizz start Aldama who is again a SHOOTER. Two traditional bigs are only in Cleveland and even Mobley shoots the 3.
 

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....It worked before :gucci: like I don't even know what you're trying to argue at this point

But the team hasn't, and their defense hasn't. Those are just the facts brother so I don't know what's not computing to you and why are you so hellbent on going against those facts? Again I don't know what you're trying to argue here when the results have already been established

His first season with the Lakers where he played his natural PF role was his best season statistically and undoubtedly their best season as a team, again you're arguing against that reality... why?

You're the only one sounding delusional denying that they won a championship and the team had their best defense with him playing alongside another big, why? who knows :manny: lol
So 26 and 9 on 50 percent shooting trumps the 25-26 and 12-14 boards he's been getting the last couple of years on a higher percentage with roughly the same amount of blocks assists and steals to. If you say so. 2020 was FIVE years ago and even in the Finals against Miami Dwight played less and less as the series went on. 2020 being their best season is cause they had a GOOD team and a younger Bron not cause of AD playing the 4.
 
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I can't help but feel AD only feels this way because the Lakers have run into Jokic over the last two years. He knows that physically there's nothing he can do against him. Remove Jokic from the equation and I bet he would fancy his chances in the playoffs against every other center in the Western conference.
 
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At the end of the day, as long as AD is in his prime, he'll almost always default to being a 5, purely because it makes sense from a spacing standpoint and because bigs who can shoot and defend are scarce.

Folks can keep bringing up these defensive bigs to play alongside AD, but that ain't gonna mean shyt when that will be an unplayable lineup in the playoffs.
 

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I can't help but feel AD only feels this way because the Lakers have run into Jokic over the last two years. He knows that physically there's nothing he can do against him. Remove Jokic from the equation and I bet he would fancy his chances in the playoffs against every other center in the Western conference.

AD got PTSD playing the GOAT :sadcam:
 

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So 26 and 9 on 50 percent shooting trumps the 25-26 and 12-14 boards he's been getting the last couple of years on a higher percentage with roughly the same amount of blocks assists and steals to. If you say so. 2020 was FIVE years ago and even in the Finals against Miami Dwight played less and less as the series went on. 2020 being their best season is cause they had a GOOD team and a younger Bron not cause of AD playing the 4.
You just yapping to yap at this point :mjlol:
 

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....It worked before :gucci: like I don't even know what you're trying to argue at this point

But the team hasn't, and their defense hasn't. Those are just the facts brother so I don't know what's not computing to you and why are you so hellbent on going against those facts? Again I don't know what you're trying to argue here when the results have already been established

His first season with the Lakers where he played his natural PF role was his best season statistically and undoubtedly their best season as a team, again you're arguing against that reality... why?

You're the only one sounding delusional denying that they won a championship and the team had their best defense with him playing alongside another big, why? who knows :manny: lol
So 26 and 9 on 50 percent shooting trumps the 25-26 and 12-14 boards he's been getting the last couple of years on a higher percentage with roughly the same amount of blocks assists and steals to. If you say so. 2020 was FIVE years ago and even in the Finals against Miami Dwight played less and less as the series went on. 2020 being their best season is cause they had a GOOD team and a younger Bron not cause of AD playing the 4.
You just yapping to yap at this point :mjlol:
I dont think so bruh. You said his best season was 2020. I said he's been more dominant playing center and the numbers bear that.
 

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At the end of the day, as long as AD is in his prime, he'll almost always default to being a 5, purely because it makes sense from a spacing standpoint and because bigs who can shoot and defend are scarce.

Folks can keep bringing up these defensive bigs to play alongside AD, but that ain't gonna mean shyt when that will be an unplayable lineup in the playoffs.
Finally. Someone who sees it clear as day that AD is better at the 5 at this point in his career.
 

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At the end of the day, as long as AD is in his prime, he'll almost always default to being a 5, purely because it makes sense from a spacing standpoint and because bigs who can shoot and defend are scarce.

Folks can keep bringing up these defensive bigs to play alongside AD, but that ain't gonna mean shyt when that will be an unplayable lineup in the playoffs.


Exactly. He's just a 5 now. It's 2025. He needs to get over it.
 

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There is no issue. They already traded plenty of assets for Bron, after the Russ thing not working out there's no reason for them to keep giving up assets.

Jeanie is just keeping Bron around for entertainment purposes. She's not trying to win now. Rob probably figures he'll get a chance to run the team post-Bron so he's preparing himself for that.
lebron came as a free agent and AD > ingram
the russ trade dudnt work out but the lakers didnt really give up any major future assets

lakers have been extremely cheap tbh - but thats expected when you run the team like a small business
 
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