Lebron James on Channing frye and Richard Jefferson podcast explaining superteams and copping pleas

[Swagnificent]

Yeah they doubled him because he's such a ballhog that they knew he'd toss up a brick even in double and triple teams instead of hitting the open man. LeBron makes defenses pay regularly for double-teaming with his passing.

This is the difference between Kobe and LeBron. LeBron always fills his team with shooters to keep double teams honest because he cares about his stats. When the playoffs come those shooters choke and that's why he's 3-5 in the finals. Kobe's teams typically had weak shooters but were better balanced when it came to post players and defenders. So while Kobe sacrificed some regular season stats because when they employed this trapping shyt he didn't get his numbers or get lots of assists. He gets the last laugh in the end because his teams are better balanced and have a better chance in the playoffs to win chips because he can play though his bigs in the post.

If Lebron wasn't so selfish and only cared about his numbers, maybe he would have a winning percentage above .500 in the finals like Kobe does (even without Shaq).

 

[Swagnificent]

Playing smart basketball = being a bytch
Losing 16 times out of 22 = alpha

It's a bytch to use screens, but not to have Odom and Artest guard Bron defensively for the vast majority of plays?

Bron guarded Kobe often during those games, on the way to a dominant winning record and awful shooting efficency by Kobe.

Question: Is the Earth flat?

Why would Kobe guard LeBron if all LeBron is gonna do is call for screens? That'll just take Kobe right outta the play.

In the all-star game, where only the biggest of pussies will call for screens, Kobe guarded LeBron. And we all remember how that ended.

 

[Swagnificent]

Meaning that Kobe NEVER won a game by scoring a lot on Lebron. The rare game he won, it was his teammates that carried the scoring load.

Bullshyt about a "weak supporting cast".

The first win Kobe got against Lebron, he was still in LA and barely even played with his teammates beating Cleveland and rookie Lebron on their own.

From 2005-2007, he had a weak supporting cast but so did Lebron. The Lakers beat Cleveland in 2005 with Kobe only playing 6 minutes and Lebron playing 44, so stop this bullshyt about the supporting cast being the reason Kobe was losing. In the games

Next five games where Kobe actually played, Lebron won 4 out of 5, even though Lebron's supporting cast sucked too.

From 2008-2010, when Kobe had a better supporting cast than Lebron, Lebron went 4-2 against him, and Kobe only averaged 19.5ppg in the two wins.

From 2010-2016, Lebron was 12-2 against Kobe, even though Kobe had a squad for the first three years of that stretch.





Kobe fans are embarrassing themselves.





Just in that first three minutes after the timestamp the video started on, Lebron had the block on Kobe, an and-1 on Kobe, beat Kobe at the three-point line and scored inside, harassed Kobe into a bricked three, and ripped the ball from Kobe when he went up for a shot.

You apparently didn't actually watch three minutes of video.

You might wanna read the other posts in this thread. I already explained this. All LeBron James teams (both in Cleveland and Miami) trap the opposing team's star with hard double teams. This forces the other guys to have to beat them. So naturally it makes perfect sense that in the games the Lakers won it was when the others actually hit their open shots that were the result of all the hard double teams on Kobe. And in the games they lost obviously they weren't hitting their shots and Kobe had to force the issue.

This is why I question whether your Bron stans even watch the games. Do you just read the box scores? Or do you also watch the games? If you watch the games you would know this.

 

[Swagnificent]

Watching this shyt is so hilarious.

Just goes to show how bad of a one on one player LeBron is.

Kobe would've embarrassed this dude if they ever played a game of one on one.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Kobe's not a bytch. He ain't gonna use screens. He's a one on one player. He even waved off Karl Malone once in an all-star game. Its insulting for a player of his talent to call for a screen.

Why would Kobe guard LeBron if all LeBron is gonna do is call for screens? That'll just take Kobe right outta the play.

So a screen is so brutally effective that it immediately takes the defender right out of the play.

But Kobe refuses to employ screens because he's "not a bytch".

Kobestan literally describes their own star as the most selfish, egotistical, low-IQ player in the game.

You make him sound like an insecure 17-year-old on the playground, "No, I don't want to use your screens because people might think I'm weak!"


You also appear to be saying that lockdown-defenders are basically irrelevant on James and no one can play good defense on him, because screens take them right out of the play. Having Jimmy Butler or Iggy or Kawhi on your team to guard James makes no difference, right?

Or is it only Kobe who can't guard Lebron, and that's why the Lakers were always putting Odom or Artest or Ariza onto him, so they could just get rubbed off on screens, right?

Kobe sacrificed some regular season stats

No one in the history of basketball believes this lie.

Actually no. Bron stans are even more pathetic. The reason they can't put together a video like that is because IT CAN'T EXIST. The footage simply does not exist.

STOP LYING. None of them are on Kobe. I couldn't take more than 3 minutes of this crap. But after 3 minutes all I saw was the one block from the team USA scrimmage I told you about already. And then a whole bunch of points being scored on Lamar Odom.

1:00 - Lebron stuffs Kobe
1:28 - Lebron goes 1-on-3 right into Kobe and Shaq's face, Kobe is in position but does nothing with a weak half reach-in and Lebron gets the and-1
1:46 - Lebron goes around a screen, Kobe is on the other side but just does a weak reach-in and James flies by him for the hoop
1:54 - Lebron goes around the perimeter with Kobe on him, Lebron changes direction/spins and Kobe gets behind him as James goes to the rim
2:56 - Kobe has trouble getting the ball with Lebron on him, Kobe finally gets it and bricks a bad three under pressure from Lebron
3:17 - Lebron gets around Kobe and gets a lane for the pass and easy layup inside
3:22-40 - Quick flurry of Lebron jumpers, MULTIPLE jumpers on Kobe
3:40 - Kobe tries to drive on Lebron, Lebron rips it from him easily as he goes up for the shot
3:50 - Lebron goes around a screen as Kobe doesn't even try and Lebron easy to the hole
4:04 - Kobe bricks a bad midrange jumper while guarded by Lebron
4:26 - Lebron goes to the hole off-ball, Kobe does nothing except put his hands on Lebron's waist as Lebron scores
4:34 - Lebron crosses over Kobe to the point where Kobe ends up about 5 feet away from him
4:56 - Lebron goes around a screen, Kobe reaches in and gets nothing and Lebron gets another easy and-1
5:09 - Lebron jukes the mess out of Kobe and gets to the hole again, this time without the screen
5:18 - Kobe gets blocked by Lebron
5:22 - Kobe juked so bad by Lebron he falls on his butt and has to pull Lebron down
5:50 - Kobe stripped by Lebron
6:13 - Lebron drives around Kobe, Kobe can't keep position and falls down again
8:22 - Kobe tries to fake Lebron, can't do anything, has to give the ball up, can't get it back
8:25 - Lebron dunks on Kobe, Kobe stands there and does nothing
9:08 - Lebron just knocks Kobe down on his ass and Kobe gets the foul anyway.
9:36 - Lebron drives and scores on Kobe
9:56 - Lebron drives around Kobe easily and scores
10:28 - Lebron nails midrange jumper in Kobe's face with 20 seconds left in a 1-point game

And that's a 2010 video showing footage of only 9-10 games. How many plays your video show?

You might wanna read the other posts in this thread. I already explained this. All LeBron James teams (both in Cleveland and Miami) trap the opposing team's star with hard double teams. This forces the other guys to have to beat them. So naturally it makes perfect sense that in the games the Lakers won it was when the others actually hit their open shots that were the result of all the hard double teams on Kobe.

This is untrue. Kobe was forcing it and shooting MORE, not less, when he played Lebron. The announcers in the video even mention that that was his tendency.

2005: Kobe averaged 20 shots/game, shot 22 times against Lebron.
2006: Kobe averaged 27 shots/game, shot 27 times/game against Lebron
2007: Kobe averaged 23 shots/game, shot 23 times/game against Lebron
2008: Kobe averaged 21 shots/game, shot 22 times/game against Lebron
2009: Kobe averaged 21 shots/game, shot 20 times/game against Lebron
2010: Kobe averaged 22 shots/game, shot 32 times/game against Lebron (lost both going 11-33 and 12-31 with a MUCH better supporting cast than Lebron)
2011: Kobe averaged 20 shots/game, shot 19 times/game against Lebron
2012: Kobe averaged 23 shots/game, shot 22 times/game against Lebron
2013: Kobe averaged 20 shots/game, shot 22 times/game against Lebron

Throughout the nine-year stretch when Kobe was healthy, he averaged MORE shots against Lebron's teams than he did against other teams.

That's why your "But I watch the games!" narrative is so silly. You just pick one play here or there, or make up some bullshyt that happened some of the time. Watching the games is informative, but it doesn't help you understand anything if you watch them with your stan-colored glasses the whole time. The stats can't be changed, they PROVE that you're making stuff up.

 

[Big Boss]

I said it before and I'll say it again. Just because Miami didn't complete the mission in 2011, doesn't mean they weren't a superteam. The trio of CB/Wade/LBJ were better than most teams starting 5. How else do you handle the Celtics in 5 games coming off a Eastern Conference title? How else do you handle a Bulls team with prime Derrick Rose, with one of the best defenses, and a bevy of roleplayers in 5 games?

Facts

 

[Big Boss]

1. I was referring to the Miami Beatles

2. Kevin Love was definitely top 15 when him and LeBron joined forces,

In fact ESPN ranked in #7 that year.

ESPN.com NBA Player Rankings: 7

Now bow down & apologize .

 

[Big Boss]

Their lack of depth is what makes them a superteam to me. The fact that they can do more with that trio than opposing teams could do with their starting 5 and their bench makes 2011 Miami a superteam. Wade/Bosh/LeBron as trio only lost 3 games on their way to the finals. Against a stronger Eastern Conference than what we're seeing now.

Did you forget how dominant that trio was in the East leading up to the Finals in 2011? They beat two REALLY good Boston and Chicago teams(with prime Derrick Rose) in 5 games. The offensive game plan was basically "LBJ your turn, Wade your turn, Bosh your turn"

You forgot how great Bosh played against Chicago? He cooked Boozer the whole series. Even in games in which Chicago had better numbers in the box score (rebounds especially) Miami won that series and the won the Celtics series on the talent of that trio alone. No team in the East had an answer for them, even with a better collection of roleplayers, better bench and better schemes. That heat team was a Superteam.

That's what made what happened to Miami against Dallas seem so improbable. Especially considering how great of a start Miami had against Dallas that series. With 5mins left in game2, it was looking like Miami was gonna gain a 2-0 series lead against Dallas. If they hold on to that 15 point lead, they go to Dallas up 2-0. And assuming Miami still wins game 3, they go up 3-0 against dallas, and potentially sweep them to win the title in their first year together. Just because Miami didn't complete the mission that doesn't mean they didn't have a superteam.

@ people bringing up the lack of depth


They lost because LeBron didn't show up.


Plain and simple


LeBron was the 5th best player in the 2011 finals



2011 NBA Finals - Dallas Mavericks vs. Miami Heat | Basketball-Reference.com

 

[Born2BKing]

I tried to watch your video and gave up at 1:30 when they were still showing replays of the 2nd play.

Yeah, easy as hell to make an 11-minute highlight video of a 30 game rivalry when you only show 1 highlight per minute.



Here is an 11 minute highlight video of Lebron styling on the Lakers, ALL before 2010 so you can't use that "old Kobe" excuse, and less than half as many games to work with (all before prime Lebron) than your weak video.

Not all of the highlights are on Kobe, but more than enough are to make it a lot more plays than your slow-ass play-a-minute video.

3:40 mark. Just took that shyt

 

[Karume]

Is all this social media banter just money in LeBrons pockets?

 

[Biscayne]

The fukk is this revisionist history, especially the bolded. The Heat CONSTANTLY struggled against teams with solid big men. The Magic would routinely run them off the floor when they had Dwight, they always dropped regular season games to squads that had bigs and three-point shooting, even the scrub teams, and do I even have to bring up all of their struggles against Indiana?

Getting pushed to 7 three times is hardly dominating. Only getting the #1 seed in the weak Eastern Conference in one out of 4 years because the team's flaws didn't make them an optimal regular season team isn't "dominant." LeBron had to drag the team in 2012 while averaging 30/10/6, and it wasn't until the Finals that they actually reached their full potential.

We're gonna skip year one where they only lost 3 games in the East?

2012 Bosh's injury is the only thing providing Miami with a dramatic Game6 performance by LeBron. In the year prior, with all 3 of them healthy they beat Boston in 5 games. If bosh is healthy in 2012, Miami goes 6 at MOST against Boston. And only going 5 against the pacers in the previous series. By the way Dwade averaged 22/6 that post season. If bosh was healthy, Miami doesn't see any game 7's in the 2012 playoffs. They might've gone 4-0, 4-1, 4-2, 4-1 in 2012 honestly. Bosh's injury doesn't change the intent of that Heat team.

When you compare Kevin Love and Chris Bosh's output to what Klay and Draymond have done this year, it's not fair to compare the Heat or the Cavs to this Warriors team.

Bosh pretty much played the Klay/Draymond role. Sacrificing his offensive stats and output by being a defensive anchor. Either way, what Miami had on that roster vs what everyone else had AT THAT TIME in the NBA makes the Heat comparisons fair. It makes it very fair.

Dwight's Magic were 5-3 against Miami and had a couple of games where they blew them the fukk out. That team not even being able to beat Atlanta was why he left. But you're missing my point. Even teams that otherwise weren't very good gave Miami fits because they cold exploit the huge holes in their game. The Magic were so-so but could run up on Miami because they had a big and 3-point shooting.

A completely desolate Bulls team was able to be competitive with Miami in 3 out of 5 games in the '13 playoffs because of size and ball movement.

The Pacers were a sub-50 win team that took them to 7 because of their bigs

San Antonio had the Heat on the ropes until the most extraordinary circumstances possible, and then annihilated them once the Heat were and couldn't out-talent teams anymore

Year one of the Big3 against an even deeper Bulls team than what we saw in 2013, and a healthy, prime Derrick Rose, and a Heat team with no bench, the sole talent of Miami's Big3 were able to end Chicago in 5 games(2011). Bosh was a mis-match nightmare against Boozer, the same way Wade was a mis-match nightmare against Boston in the previous series. That trio by themselves were a mismatch against the whole East. And up until 5mins left of Game2 when miami had Dallas on the ropes, it was looking like Dallas had no answers for Miami as well. It was shaping up to look like the easiet post-season blitz to a title since the Lakers in 2001, but Miami didn't complete the mission....but that doesn't mean they weren't a superteam.

I'm a Lebron fan for life but that Miami team was DEFINITELY a Superteam.

Thing is I don't blame him, KD, or ANY player for doing it. I'd support Lebron 100% if he just owned up to it and said "yes we were a super team" and be proud of it. Lebron did exactly what he wanted to do. He told the Cavs (whom he DRAGGED to the edge of greatness at the time) to kiss his ass and took his talents to south beach. Where he and two other BLACK superstars took destiny into their own hands and won a championship on their terms.


That's something to be proud of

EXACTLY!!! As a Heat fan, I say God bless LBJ for choosing us. God bless wade for recruiting LBJ instead of the other way around, and God bless Bosh for hitching a ride down here also. LeBron played for a supeteam, and it's ok. KD is on a superteam and it's ok....

 

[rapbeats]

People mistake "Big 3" for "Superteam"......three all-stars with two average starters and a average bench is not a "Superteam"......Like really,most nba fans can't even name the starting center/pg for those heat teams.

CHALMERS. now what.

Stop coppin pleas

 

[Karume]

CHALMERS. now what.

Stop coppin pleas

Maybe you're not most

 

[The God Poster]

superteams are an matter of opinion and fit. the Cheat never fit therefore they never reached their maximum potential. imo superteams are above and beyond all teams in the league so that'll be

96 bulls
01 lakers
16 warriors
17 warriors
07 Celtics
84 lakers

that's it imo.

Why should a team be labeled a super team for drafting well. This SuperTeam talk didn't start until Heatles who's core came from different teams to team up . With that being said that has always been the definition & defining moment of a SuperTeam. People are only now trying to change the meaning.

 

[Born2BKing]

Why should a team be labeled a super team for drafting well. This SuperTeam talk didn't start until Heatles who's core came from different teams to team up . With that being said that has always been the definition & defining moment of a SuperTeam. People are only now trying to change the meaning.

Super team means you have a lot of fukking talent. Better than every one else. Don't matter if they drafted, come in free agency, etc.