Lebron James on Channing frye and Richard Jefferson podcast explaining superteams and copping pleas

[Professor Emeritus]

A couple days ago someone tried to claim that the term "Point Forward" was invented to describe Lebron (as proof that Lebron is a ball hog).

Now people trying to claim that the word "superteam" was invented to describe Lebron's team.

I swear, a lot of you talk like you're about 15 years old and don't know that the NBA existed before you turned seven.

Why should a team be labeled a super team for drafting well. This SuperTeam talk didn't start until Heatles who's core came from different teams to team up . With that being said that has always been the definition & defining moment of a SuperTeam. People are only now trying to change the meaning.

The 1972 Lakers acquired four HOF players, including three all-time greats - Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Wilt Chamberlain, and Gail Goodrich. Wilt and Goodrich were both already established stars when the Lakers traded for them. Why isn't that the start of the super team?

Of course, claim the 1950s and 1960s Celtics weren't a "Superteam" when they had like 8 HOF players and one of the only Black men in the league over 6'9" is ridiculous.

Then again, the whole term "Superteam" is ridiculous.

 

[Born2BKing]

Of course, claim the 1950s and 1960s Celtics weren't a "Superteam" when they had like 8 HOF players and one of the only Black men in the league over 6'9" is ridiculous.

Then again, the whole term "Superteam" is ridiculous.

Kobe stans will say

 

[The God Poster]

A couple days ago someone tried to claim that the term "Point Forward" was invented to describe Lebron (as proof that Lebron is a ball hog).

Now people trying to claim that the word "superteam" was invented to describe Lebron's team.

I swear, a lot of you talk like you're about 15 years old and don't know that the NBA existed before you turned seven.





The 1972 Lakers acquired four HOF players, including three all-time greats - Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Wilt Chamberlain, and Gail Goodrich. Wilt and Goodrich were both already established stars when the Lakers traded for them. Why isn't that the start of the super team?

Of course, claim the 1950s and 1960s Celtics weren't a "Superteam" when they had like 8 HOF players and one of the only Black men in the league over 6'9" is ridiculous.

Then again, the whole term "Superteam" is ridiculous.

I'm simply referring to when the media started using the term heavy. That was obviously when the Heatles were formed
Don't blame me, blame them.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I'm simply referring to when the media started using the term heavy. That was obviously when the Heatles were formed
Don't blame me, blame them.

That's only because the "media" has become a pack of stans and haters the last ten years. For decades basketball media gave off the image of professionals - they had all sorts of problems, like glorifying the superstars and covering up for the league and the refs and pushing their own narratives and acting in unison, but they tried to at least look professional when they did it.

Now they have to compete with social media and bloggers and online sites like Bleacher Report, so they go crazy with it.

The media called 2008 Garnett-PP-Ray a superteam. The media called the 2004 Lakers a superteam. The media called 1996 Hakeem-Drexler-Barkley a superteam. The media called Jordan's Bulls a superteam. I wasn't old enough to see it, but when Magic joined Kareem and company they probably called that a superteam. They just weren't so heavy about it because they weren't acting like idiot fanboys and haters yet at that point.

 

[O.T.I.S.]

How are you supposedly "the best player on earth" and get on a team with an established top 10 PF and a top 10 guard and it NOT be a Superteam???

And people act like GS just pieced their team together to become a superteam... Dray, Steph, Klay all developed into all-stars by being drafted, developing their games together, and playing their roles. KD joined them after 10 years of not going anywhere and they beat a glued together SUPERTEAM in the Cavs (after they feasted in the east as well) where the puzzel never seemed like it fit.

 

[Lucky_Lefty]

So a screen is so brutally effective that it immediately takes the defender right out of the play.

But Kobe refuses to employ screens because he's "not a bytch".

Kobestan literally describes their own star as the most selfish, egotistical, low-IQ player in the game.

You make him sound like an insecure 17-year-old on the playground, "No, I don't want to use your screens because people might think I'm weak!"


You also appear to be saying that lockdown-defenders are basically irrelevant on James and no one can play good defense on him, because screens take them right out of the play. Having Jimmy Butler or Iggy or Kawhi on your team to guard James makes no difference, right?

Or is it only Kobe who can't guard Lebron, and that's why the Lakers were always putting Odom or Artest or Ariza onto him, so they could just get rubbed off on screens, right?







No one in the history of basketball believes this lie.








1:00 - Lebron stuffs Kobe
1:28 - Lebron goes 1-on-3 right into Kobe and Shaq's face, Kobe is in position but does nothing with a weak half reach-in and Lebron gets the and-1
1:46 - Lebron goes around a screen, Kobe is on the other side but just does a weak reach-in and James flies by him for the hoop
1:54 - Lebron goes around the perimeter with Kobe on him, Lebron changes direction/spins and Kobe gets behind him as James goes to the rim
2:56 - Kobe has trouble getting the ball with Lebron on him, Kobe finally gets it and bricks a bad three under pressure from Lebron
3:17 - Lebron gets around Kobe and gets a lane for the pass and easy layup inside
3:22-40 - Quick flurry of Lebron jumpers, MULTIPLE jumpers on Kobe
3:40 - Kobe tries to drive on Lebron, Lebron rips it from him easily as he goes up for the shot
3:50 - Lebron goes around a screen as Kobe doesn't even try and Lebron easy to the hole
4:04 - Kobe bricks a bad midrange jumper while guarded by Lebron
4:26 - Lebron goes to the hole off-ball, Kobe does nothing except put his hands on Lebron's waist as Lebron scores
4:34 - Lebron crosses over Kobe to the point where Kobe ends up about 5 feet away from him
4:56 - Lebron goes around a screen, Kobe reaches in and gets nothing and Lebron gets another easy and-1
5:09 - Lebron jukes the mess out of Kobe and gets to the hole again, this time without the screen
5:18 - Kobe gets blocked by Lebron
5:22 - Kobe juked so bad by Lebron he falls on his butt and has to pull Lebron down
5:50 - Kobe stripped by Lebron
6:13 - Lebron drives around Kobe, Kobe can't keep position and falls down again
8:22 - Kobe tries to fake Lebron, can't do anything, has to give the ball up, can't get it back
8:25 - Lebron dunks on Kobe, Kobe stands there and does nothing
9:08 - Lebron just knocks Kobe down on his ass and Kobe gets the foul anyway.
9:36 - Lebron drives and scores on Kobe
9:56 - Lebron drives around Kobe easily and scores
10:28 - Lebron nails midrange jumper in Kobe's face with 20 seconds left in a 1-point game

And that's a 2010 video showing footage of only 9-10 games. How many plays your video show?






This is untrue. Kobe was forcing it and shooting MORE, not less, when he played Lebron. The announcers in the video even mention that that was his tendency.

2005: Kobe averaged 20 shots/game, shot 22 times against Lebron.
2006: Kobe averaged 27 shots/game, shot 27 times/game against Lebron
2007: Kobe averaged 23 shots/game, shot 23 times/game against Lebron
2008: Kobe averaged 21 shots/game, shot 22 times/game against Lebron
2009: Kobe averaged 21 shots/game, shot 20 times/game against Lebron
2010: Kobe averaged 22 shots/game, shot 32 times/game against Lebron (lost both going 11-33 and 12-31 with a MUCH better supporting cast than Lebron)
2011: Kobe averaged 20 shots/game, shot 19 times/game against Lebron
2012: Kobe averaged 23 shots/game, shot 22 times/game against Lebron
2013: Kobe averaged 20 shots/game, shot 22 times/game against Lebron

Throughout the nine-year stretch when Kobe was healthy, he averaged MORE shots against Lebron's teams than he did against other teams.

That's why your "But I watch the games!" narrative is so silly. You just pick one play here or there, or make up some bullshyt that happened some of the time. Watching the games is informative, but it doesn't help you understand anything if you watch them with your stan-colored glasses the whole time. The stats can't be changed, they PROVE that you're making stuff up.

nikka......its the weekend

 

[Houston911]

Superteam = multiple (current) franchise players on the same squad.. players that would otherwise be the best players on other teams concentrated in one spot ... Both the heatles and the current cavs are OBVIOUS fukking examples, IMO even moreso than the pre-kd warriors (both Klay and Draymond are supplementary pieces... Before kd jumped onboard they were just an absolutely perfectly put together traditionally built team)

LeBron just casually and retroactively playing with reality and his dikksuckers entertaining it for absolutely no reason other than frame him losing in a better light is plainly shameful... It really is

Klay is a franchise player, but you're right, green ain't no fukking franchise player.

 

[The God Poster]

That's only because the "media" has become an idiot pack of stans and haters the last ten years. For decades basketball media gave off the image of professionals - they had all sorts of problems, like glorifying the superstars and covering up for the league and the refs and pushing their own narratives and acting in unison, but they tried to at least look professional when they did it.

Now they have to compete with social media and bloggers and idiot online sites like Bleacher Report, so they go crazy with it.

The media called 2008 Garnett-PP-Ray a superteam. The media called the 2004 Lakers a superteam. The media called 1996 Hakeem-Drexler-Barkley a superteam. The media called Jordan's Bulls a superteam. I wasn't old enough to see it, but when Magic joined Kareem and company they probably called that a superteam. They just weren't so heavy about it because they weren't acting like idiot fanboys and haters yet at that point.

I don't remember none of this being done on a widespread level.

 

[Donald Trumps Twitter]

39 gary payton and 40 year old Karl Malone






But not three superstars in their prime from THE SAME DRAFT.

Dudes were all in the top 5 in PER the previous years
Dudes were all at least 5 time all stars
Dudes were all drafted in the top 5 of the same NBA DRAFT.



"Not a superteam"


How can we take this idiot and his stans serious anymore

 

[blackzeus]

Super team = a team of 3 or more players (in their prime*) that are in the top 15 and used free agency to join forces.

Not sure If prime matters due to ranking **

Love
Kyrie
Lebron

Bosh
Wade
Bron

I'm rocking with this definition