so if you're an NBA GM today and you had the first pick in the draft, who are you taking to start your team.
25 year old Shaq
25 year old Dirk
Lebron just so sick !!!
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so if you're an NBA GM today and you had the first pick in the draft, who are you taking to start your team.
25 year old Shaq
25 year old Dirk
You're arguing something completely different, having a guy that can space the floor is fine, him being your best player and biggest frontcourt player is not fine. You bring up Bosh, and he's not the best player on that team, and the Celts won a title with Pierce getting that finals MVP. Was KG more important than him overall, sure, but on offense Pierce was the more valuable player.
And big men shooting jumpers will be the norm, and then like usual someone 7 feet tall with a low post game will come around and remind people just how silly it is for your biggest player to be launching up jumpers. A dominant big man playing 15 and in will always be more impactful, and that will never change.
It's not the rules that have caused big men to vanish, it's the AAU game and lack of coaching taking place at the lower levels.
No it's not and big men shooting is nothing new. The key is to have balance. It's hard to have 2 low post specialists at the 4&5. One of them should be able to operate in the high post.
Ewing and Oakley/Mason
Shaq and Grant,Horry,Odom
Cartwright and Grant
Smits and Davis Bros
Hakeem an Horry/Thorpe
Duncan and Robinson (they could both play inside and out)
Zo and PJ Brown
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No, he wasn't. Garnett was their leading scorer during those playoffs and anchored them both offensively and defensively. He took more attempts, and scored more points in the 4th quarter and in clutch situations too (last two mins)... Pierce got the finals MVP because he scored 35+ points while coming out of the
in a game. It had nothing to do with him being the better player, neither offensively or defensively. And yes, it is absolutely the rules that have made it harder for big men to be effective. How can you even debate this?
There's no evidence of it not being fine in having your best player, who is a big, shooting jumpers. KG and Dirk point to the exact opposite.
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You don't see a diffrence here? All of these examples has the back to the basket guy as the first option.. Tables have turned. Find me teams in todays league who has their non-jumpshooting big as the first option.. ?
25 year old Shaq just don't come around that often if ever. I wish we had another Wilt but 7 ft with that athleticism, forget it. Maybe my son.
SwagKingKong
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Basically every PF in the league... ?
I'm not saying they have to be first option on their teams, obviously many won't simply because it's a guards league because of the rule changes.
But the jump shooters are the first options between the front court players.. Examples;
Perkins / Ibaka
DeAndre / Griffin
Kaman / Dirk
Cousins / Thompson
Noah / Boozer
Bogut / Lee
Hibbert / D.West
All Jeff / Millsap
Hickson / Aldridge
All of the bolded attempt and hit alot of jumpers and are the primary offensive weapons between the two bigs position. Compare that to the list you made, in which the primary offensive weapon up front was the traditional back to the basket guys like Shaq, Hakeem, Zo etc.
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fukk kinda question is this? This would make sense if they were on the same level but the two aren't even comparable at their peaks
Obviously Shaq. Let's not act like I'm saying that traditional big men are worthless and that jumpshooting big men are GODS.. All I'm saying is that in todays game teams benefit from having big men who can stretch the floor..
Durant is shooting 50% from the field 40% from 3 and 90% from the line. And he plays in the tougher conference.
Durant is a string bean. The league wont let anyone get in his chest and he can shoot over most anybody. Plus he gets mad touch fouls.
There is a lot more LaMarcus Aldridge's in the NBA than Shaq and McHale's.
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No, he wasn't. Garnett was their leading scorer during those playoffs and anchored them both offensively and defensively. He took more attempts, and scored more points in the 4th quarter and in clutch situations too (last two mins)... Pierce got the finals MVP because he scored 35+ points while coming out of the
And yes, it is absolutely the rules that have made it harder for big men to be effective. How can you even debate this?
There's no evidence of it not being fine in having your best player, who is a big, shooting jumpers. KG and Dirk point to the exact opposite.
Pierce was the only person on that roster that could reliably create a shot for himself off the dribble, nobody else. And it doesn't matter why he won the finals MVP, he won it.
No, it has nothing to do with the rules, the rules existed when old ass Shaq was still scoring 20 a game, the rules were in place when Duncan averaged 20ppg on 14 shots. It is an issue of skill, not the rules, if Andrew Bynum could average 19 a game with his post game and Pau not being the greatest of floor spacers, there should be zero doubt in anyones mind that better post players wouldn't be able to feast today.
The zone isn't anything new, and has been around for a long ass time, the issue is that big guys aren't taught properly how to play in the post. Are the zone rules causing High school big men to play on the perimeter? It's starting long before these guys get to the NBA, a great center would be just as effective today as they were in the past.
He said number 1 options, you know, the guy who the team is built around.
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Like LeBron and Wade never lead the league in FTA.
Harden is number 1, Kobe is at right at 4, and LeBron is 6th(which is real low this year). If you're aggressive and attack the basket, you're going to get rewarded.
