"Lebron statements were correct on ring culture" Gilbert Arenas & T-Mac explains to Stephen A Smith why Lebron was right!

[Peruvian Connect]

same concept breh. AP isnt a champion. He's ranked by those due to watching his ability and individual accolades. Kobe has more individual accoladed than Tmac so no hes shouldnt be on same level. Ring culture completely disregards a players stature. AI also has a league MVP another individual accolade. Ring culture will act like said player aint shyt if he didnt win a ring and completely disregard organization, coach, gm, and teammates.

"Ring culture" has existed since at least the 80's. Jordan was great but the knock on him was he wasn't a winner like Magic and Bird. He was just a hotshot, showboat loser, AI won MVP, but he was hard to play with and build around. Everywhere he played ended badly. A.I. was "The Answer" but he was nore of "the problem".

Also yall LeBron James cocksuckers(not sure if you are one) diminishes every teammate he has ever had, Him getting to 10 finals is all him, but him losing 6 is all on his teammates.

 

[KFBF]

Also yall LeBron James cocksuckers(not sure if you are one) diminishes every teammate he has ever had, Him getting to 10 finals is all him, but him losing 6 is all on his teammates.

That's what makes this a difficult conversation to have. It does come across as an attempt by Klutch engaging in media manipulation. if lebron had six or seven rings this wouldn't be a talking point.

 

[Trojan 24]

“I would never have called him the greatest player I’d ever seen if I didn’t mean it,” Bird told The Boston Globe. “It’s just God disguised as Michael Jordan.”

they were already calling MJ GOAT before he ever started winning chips.

Yes, Michael Jordan was called the GOAT (Greatest of All Time) on a magazine cover before winning his first NBA championship in 1991. Specifically, a March 1989 GQ magazine cover declared him "The Best There Ever Was," even though he hadn't yet won a championship. This occurred over two years before his first title, highlighting how early his legendary status was recognized.

That's my point, a consensus Top 5 all time player (at the time) had seen enough to proclaim him the GOAT. If another player of that caliber comes along maybe he'll be annoited too, but we don't know because that player has not come along. Instead we got guy that his spent 20 years trying to compile stats and accolades to claim the title like he's playing baseball

 

[etrofllenrod504]

"Ring culture" has existed since at least the 80's. Jordan was great but the knock on him was he wasn't a winner like Magic and Bird. He was just a hotshot, showboat loser, AI won MVP, but he was hard to play with and build around. Everywhere he played ended badly. A.I. was "The Answer" but he was nore of "the problem".

Also yall LeBron James cocksuckers(not sure if you are one) diminishes every teammate he has ever had, Him getting to 10 finals is all him, but him losing 6 is all on his teammates.

soooooo this didnt happen? He was literally being called the greatest ever before he won a chip? Bird literally called him the greatest player hes ever seen before he won a chip.

 

[etrofllenrod504]

That's my point, a consensus Top 5 all time player (at the time) had seen enough to proclaim him the GOAT. If another player of that caliber comes along maybe he'll be annoited too. But no one has come along since MJ that's even close

that will never be allowed to happen again in NBA conversations cause ring culture. Then if he does win a ring he'll get shytted on for not winning multiple lol. Stephen A literally said if Freak dont win another chip then his career will be considered under achieving lol. Even tho he won a chip on a team that last time they won Kareem hadnt changed his name yet. The overall number one pick in his draft class was anthony bennett lmao. This the shyt we mean! NFL alot of folks consider Moss the goat wideout over jerry(not me) even tho jerry have all the accolades. shyt in the NBA ring culture literally treats plays like ass without a ring, even if they have the individual accolades.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Ringless players uniting like Captain planet to support the dude who cheated the game to get rings.

Cuck culture is trash.

"What you say nikka

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[Gil Scott-Heroin]

That's what makes this a difficult conversation to have. It does come across as an attempt by Klutch engaging in media manipulation. if lebron had six or seven rings this wouldn't be a talking point.

Who y'all trying to kid?



It doesn't matter how many chips Bron accumulated, y'all would still find a way to downplay them.

And it's the exact reason why Klutch 'manipulate the media' because they've had to fight dirty through all the narrative eye-poking and low blows that has been thrown at Bron over the years. If the discourse directed at him was honest, objective and not drowned in trying to protect the past, we wouldn't even be having this conversaion right now.

 

[NYC Rebel]

"Ring culture" has existed since at least the 80's. Jordan was great but the knock on him was he wasn't a winner like Magic and Bird.

No…it did not. You werent born then. That “wasnt a winner like Magic & Bird” is rubbish because people mostly viewed things as Lakers vs Celtics, especially when players other than Bird and Magic were getting finals MVPs for both teams

Im older than most on this board. Yall are just talking about shyt none of yall lived through.

I literally watched and enjoyed sports before ring culture in you liars are telling me that such a time didn’t exist.

I have been on this board for over 20 years telling you clowns that Michael was considered the goat before winning a championship. Over 20 years. I’ve been saying this on this board and you clowns are still acting as if it’s made up and the proof is in your face. There wasn’t all these corny ring culture conditions to appreciating players or calling them the greatest of all time then. People Simply enjoyed watching greatness without conditions and calling it as such.


I lived in such a time and you guys who didn’t swear up and down that it didn’t exist

 

[NYC Rebel]

Nope!!

Sports culture back then didn't use rings and other bullshyt to determine greatness.

MJ was considered the GOAT coming in, but here you are trying to fool niqqas as of the bars used today was around in MJs heyday.


I'm not letting you get away with that trash. No one had Magic over MJ at that point.

MJ was considered the GOAT. This isn't about Bron, it's about you dudes making shyt up and trying to create the "uniqiue take."

fukk outta here. Magic wasn't considered over MJ coming into that finals

Sorry....prior to MJ, the team rivalry of Lakers and Celtics was still bigger than this player vs player ring fest folks are on. The way Dr. J was loved, no one gave a fukk that it took five tries for him to get his lone ring.

i will repeat “DR J WAS THE MOST BELOVED PLAYER IN THE NBA WHEN HE WAS 0-4 IN THE FINALS! No one gave TWO shytS about “what about his lack of rings” shyt niqqas got on since 90’. That talk was barely a murmur.

No...its not MJs fault, but yes...since MJ, NBA in NBC, its been player rings suck offs. The past 30 years, the way the NBA has been covered is hot trash.

He was considered the goat before he even won a ship

I long said on this site that MJ was considered the goat before he even won a ship.

It’s still wild to me that two months into his career, hewas good enough to be mentioned on Kurtis blow’s “basketball.”

MJ & LT are the only athletes in my lifetime called the goat BEFORE they won their first ship.

MJ was the GOAT before he won a ship.

LT was the GOAT before he won a ship.

For damn near 20 years Ive Been telling many of you clowns in denial of a time before ring culture existed, you see mags and tv clips stating it and you still act like it didint happen.

We had a time where fans simply loved great players without all of these corny qualifiers.

Many of you simply cannot FATHOM that existing because you didnt live through it.

All you know is this ring culture garbage

 

[RickyGQ]

Tracy wasn’t on Kobe level and I LOVED T-Mac back then. If you swap him and Kobe, the lakers probably still win a ring. Maybe even two (MAYBE). But no way they three peat.

 

[RickyGQ]

The issue is nobody wants to talk about the variables. The GM, the coach, the organization as a whole. They will shyt on a great player and say HE didn’t get it done. Same as if he wins it was HE who got it done. Then now it’s if you do play for a great team, that diminishes your greatness. There is literally no winning in NBA debates. The goal post gets moved so much the playing field looks like Swiss cheese. The reality is also the media has ALOT to do with why the conversations are so trash. You don’t EVER hear NFL media do like nba does. Nobody goes when Ja marr Chase has a bad game, “Jerry Rice would’ve never dropped that pass in that situation and that why can’t be considered one of the greats”. NBA media do the shyt all day everyday. ESPN were shytting on SGA cause JWill dropped 40….”Jordan would have never been outscored by the second option on his team”. This it what happens lol. Then the ring culture makes it WORSE. NFL media don’t do that. Most people have Barry Sanders as the GOAT running back! NOBODY knocks him below Emmitt due to rings. NBA debates are trash.

T-Mac had enough talent around him to do more than he did. That’s the problem. If Tracy went to two finals and lost to better teams, his career is looked at completely differently.

 

[bigrice25]

Tracy wasn’t on Kobe level and I LOVED T-Mac back then. If you swap him and Kobe, the lakers probably still win a ring. Maybe even two (MAYBE). But no way they three peat.

This is not true.... There were real debates being had on who was the better player. You could've had a legit argument for either before Tmac's injuries

 

[BlueHeffner]

This is not true.... There were real debates being had on who was the better player. You could've had a legit argument for either before Tmac's injuries

Kobe vs Tmac was like Steph vs Dame in the early 00s

Kobe (Steph) was clearly better

 

[Ozymandeas]

This is not true.... There were real debates being had on who was the better player. You could've had a legit argument for either before Tmac's injuries

There were debates but, injuries are a part of basketball. At the end of the day, Kobe is better.

Kobe / T-Mac / Vince / AI were all being compared to each other heavily in the early 2000s (2000, 2001, 2002, 2003).

AI was leading the pack in the beginning. As the years went on, Vince became an empty scorer. Like people knew he was nice but, he stopped being talked about. AI was at the top of his popularity in 2001, 2002, but by 2004 people stopped talking about him as much. T-Mac I would say was at the top of his popularity in like 2003. Maybe in that period you can say he was compared to Kobe. The difference is that after that, LeBron, Wade, and Melo came in the league.....Kobe was the only guard from that early 2000s era to still be competing with them. AI, Vince and them were old news. In 2006, 2007, 2008, when T-Mac was on his last legs. Kobe was outscoring teams in 3 quarters, dropping 50 for multiple games, Then in 2008, 2009, 2010, Kobe went to multiple championships. T-Mac is bitter because he knows he should've done more career wise

 

[RickyGQ]

This is not true.... There were real debates being had on who was the better player. You could've had a legit argument for either before Tmac's injuries

And it turned out to be bullshyt as time went on. T-Mac is not winning big playoff games for the Lakers like a 22 year old Kobe did.