Lebron was "openly barking at Blatt after decisions he didn't like"

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Gil Scott-Heroin said:
@Greenstrings are you really cosigning this smart dumb shyt about Blatt's inability to coach? :aicmon:
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Not his X's and O's for the most part and it is impressive he was able to get that group of players to buy wholesale into his defensive schemes. He's good there, but the situation he's allowed to develop is unsustainable and ultimately it is down to him. He never gave the front office a chance to stand behind their investment in him. He never forced Lebron to confront him.

While you might argue that could have fatally poisoned the relationship and resulted in rampant speculation about his tenure, how is that any different to the situation now? You could argue the status quo got them to the finals but you can tell Blatt isn't the kind of guy that will be happy to sit there as a doormat for years and not say shyt but the precedent he's set won't back him up when Lebron crosses a line that he feels he has to defend.

You really don't think that's an important part of being a coach?
 
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Greenstrings said:
Not his X's and O's for the most part and it is impressive he was able to get that group of players to buy wholesale into his defensive schemes. He's good there, but the situation he's allowed to develop is unsustainable and ultimately it is down to him. He never gave the front office a chance to stand behind their investment in him. He never forced Lebron to confront him.

While you might argue that could have fatally poisoned the relationship and resulted in rampant speculation about his tenure, how is that any different to the situation now? You could argue the status quo got them to the finals but you can tell Blatt isn't the kind of guy that will be happy to sit there as a doormat for years and not say shyt but the precedent he's set won't back him up when Lebron crosses a line that he feels he has to defend.

You really don't think that's an important part of being a coach?
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That's different to what's being said in here.

Nonetheless, with all their injuries*** in the first half of the season and the roster transformation in the second; it hasn't allowed him to take full control by getting everybody on the same page (he couldn't exercise his power when the team was struggling to keep pace in the East). He's allowed this mutiny for the betterment of the team - the undermining in part exists because he and the Cavs have been going back and forth to the drawing board with all the obstacles that have been thrown onto their path this season. A full training camp, time to build trust with this squad and implement what his original structure was, will change most of that.
 
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weird thread, somehow people are legitimizing a perceived conflict between a rookie nba coach who won a 'ship' in 'israel' and a once in a generation player who has managed to be in 5 straight nba finals and won 2 on the trot. Peyton with less stripes is given more leeway, and to avoid any racial animus, Kobe is out here doing the same things people are casting aspersions at Lebron's asparagus, yet he is fondly viewed as an old curmudgeon. I recall Kobe going on prime time national tv and defenestrating his admittedly idiotic teammate, Stein aint right shyt about that tho :ufdup: why let the media misguide you to root against a player for 'other reasons'. Stop falling for the okey doke.
 
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Gil Scott-Heroin said:
That's different to what's being said in here.
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Yeah but nobody was really saying it and I didn't have the time to type it, not tryna fail out of med school just yet. I went for general sentiment over specific grievance.
Nonetheless, with all their injuries*** in the first half of the season and the roster transformation in the second; it hasn't allowed him to take full control by getting everybody on the same page (he couldn't exercise his power when the team was struggling to keep pace in the East). He's allowed this mutiny for the betterment of the team - the undermining in part exists because he and the Cavs have been going back and forth to the drawing board with all the obstacles that have been thrown onto their path this season. A full training camp, time to build trust with this squad and implement what his original structure was, will change most of that.
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Herein lies the issue, he was never going to have anything like full control. With Lebron in the picture he would never be afforded that luxury and granted, events over the course of the season did not help his cause but frankly I don't think you deserve power when things are on the up if you don't have the stones to assert it from a position of weakness.

In that sense he completely ceded the initiative to Lebron and I don't see a way back because the players have been witness to this. We don't know the specifics regarding the contempt Lebron holds for Blatt but nothing we've seen suggests that he'll have a change of heart anytime soon and having almost singlehandedly taken them from the lottery to the finals, nobody in the organisation is going to expect Lebron to defer.

The time to stake your claim is the first year, and on that front he's failed. There was no real mutiny because at that point the power structure hadn't really congealed. He knew the kind of narrative Lebron was trying to create. He knew why Lebron returned to Cleveland and yet never called his bluff.
 
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Greenstrings said:
Herein lies the issue, he was never going to have anything like full control. With Lebron in the picture he would never be afforded that luxury and granted, events over the course of the season did not help his cause but frankly I don't think you deserve power when things are on the up if you don't have the stones to assert it from a position of weakness.
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I've already mentioned this many a time. Italics was used for reference/between the lines. Getting everybody on the same page and buying into his system will be his full control; with all the goings-on this season, it simply couldn't be done in the time frame he was given. That's why he couldn't lay down the law when their roster was fundamentally flawed because there was nothing there for him to build with. It not only would've alienated Bron, but the cost of losing and fortunes that came with the 'vacation' down in Miami would've put Blatt in a worse position. Any chance of winning before the trade all revolved around LeBron - straying away from this, causing friction and everything that would've resulted from that would be precious time the team wastes on gaining traction, building whatever chemistry there was there to be made and keeping pace in the playoffs picture.

Cue the trade where they had a 34-9 record in the second half of the season - Blatt integrated Earl, Mozgov and Shumpert as best as one could with shadows of his offense and putting the last piece of his defensive puzzle in place - a proper anchor. Now since there wasn't an appropriate amount of time for everyone to learn what he originally planned for the offense (at the start of the season) besides a skeleton - he knew the best and only option was for LeBron and a lesser extent Kyrie, to work their way through it with the new pieces.

Like I said above, a full training camp, time to build trust with this squad and implement what his original structure was, will change most of that.
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In that sense he completely ceded the initiative to Lebron and I don't see a way back because the players have been witness to this. We don't know the specifics regarding the contempt Lebron holds for Blatt but nothing we've seen suggests that he'll have a change of heart anytime soon and having almost singlehandedly taken them from the lottery to the finals, nobody in the organisation is going to expect Lebron to defer.
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That's why they have the luxury of time. The biggest factor weighing in Blatt's favor is that with two capable #1 options (Love and Kyrie), players that need touches (Jr, Shumpert and Mozgov) - Bron can now taper his load during the regular season, leaving him and the team no choice but to play through his system.
Greenstrings said:
The time to stake your claim is the first year, and on that front he's failed. There was no real mutiny because at that point the power structure hadn't really congealed. He knew the kind of narrative Lebron was trying to create. He knew why Lebron returned to Cleveland and yet never called his bluff.
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With everything that happened along the way, he also figured out that letting LeBron do his thing put them in the best position of winning.
 
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