Legend Has It... Campaign (Nas, Slick Rick, GFK, Rae, Mobb Deep, Big L, De La Soul albums otw)

[TheDarceKnight]

Hav fell off just as hard as a producer as P did on the mic.

They both definitely got less dope than they were early on, but at least with P, I've really come to believe he just consciously changed his style. He went from one rap style to a very different, almost spoken word poetry type rap style, and it became more conversational. I think that's kind of different than him trying to do what he always did, but couldn't do it anymore. Low key I feel like Hav was similar, and changed his production style in some ways.

I agree they never reached their apex on later material, but I like that they tweaked things a bit. P did kind of return to form on Albert Einstein in 2013. He brought back elements of his older style on that album.

P's just such a unique rapper that I never thought he was wack. And HNIC 3 was mostly trash. Those 2 albums were his worst performances. What's crazy is HNIC 3 was so bad and Albert Einstein happened almost right after.

 

[L $ C]

Nope.

This website has a habit of being too generous to the GOAT class then rolling back the scores after the dust settles. I seen it since the Nas ye album was streaming in real time and people were pretending that some of those weaker songs were it. Only for hit boy to knock that shyt out.

Ghost and Slick Rick are 2 of my all time fav rappers. Nothing I would love more than to be stating that they dropped good projects. They didn't. Rae did decent but dropping next to the clipse release basically got him eclipsed. Then you look at the strong releases we had this year and there's not much space for mid music.

I hope Mobb, De La and Nas can deliver. I don't really have any anticipation for Big L since it's going to be cut and pasted verses. The big picture was already stretched for new content when it dropped there aren't that many unheard L verses sitting anywhere.

im not mad at this take, I see both sides....to me the projects have been good, not great....but i am happy for the good projects with highlights considering the age of the artists

 

[dubsmith_nz]

They both definitely got less dope than they were early on, but at least with P, I've really come to believe he just consciously changed his style. He went from one rap style to a very different, almost spoken word poetry type rap style, and it became more conversational. I think that's kind of different than him trying to do what he always did, but couldn't do it anymore. Low key I feel like Hav was similar, and changed his production style in some ways.

I agree they never reached their apex on later material, but I like that they tweaked things a bit. P did kind of return to form on Albert Einstein in 2013. He brought back elements of his older style on that album.

P's just such a unique rapper that I never thought he was wack. And HNIC 3 was mostly trash. Those 2 albums were his worst performances. What's crazy is HNIC 3 was so bad and Albert Einstein happened almost right after.

Yeah that jump in quality from HNIC 3 to Albert Einstein was wild. Shout out Alchemist, he always knew how to get the best out of P.

Return of The Mac is one of my favourite albums to this day.

 

[ReWiNd]

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Yeah that jump in quality from HNIC 3 to Albert Einstein was wild. Shout out Alchemist, he always knew how to get the best out of P.

Return of The Mac is one of my favourite albums to this day.

still listen to Return of the Mac at least once a week. I am excited for this mobb deep album with havoc and alchemist working on it together. Especially with Alchemist being so popular these days, I hope this album gets the attention it deserves. I hope to see artist (especially New York) support this album like they did with the clipse.

Also that last Mobb deep album that had the infamous sessions on it was really slept on . I thought that album was a solid 4

 

[dubsmith_nz]

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still listen to Return of the Mac at least once a week. I am excited for this mobb deep album with havoc and alchemist working on it together. Especially with Alchemist being so popular these days, I hope this album gets the attention it deserves. I hope to see artist (especially New York) support this album like they did with the clipse.

Also that last Mobb deep album that had the infamous sessions on it was really slept on . I thought that album was a solid 4

Yeah that was a great way to go out, a shame it didn't get the recognition in real time. Damn near impossible to find that album these days.

 

[InstantKlassik]

Supreme Clientele 2 dope as hell. Hasn’t left my rotation.

He should have stuck to the original album title (Indiana Tone & The Temple of Goons) since he didn’t really tap into what made the OG Supreme special (the nonsensical but dope stream of consciousness bars) but other than that, its the strongest Ghostface album since Big Doe Rehab and fully proves that Ghost at 55 is still a creative force to be reckoned with.

Ehhh. It’s just a good album. More of a disappointment really. True it’s his best album since Big Doe Rehab, that’s because he’s set the bar so low for himself the past 15 years.

A lot of this material is from various eras so there’s no way you can confidently say he’s still a creative force today, we don’t know that.

Ya’ll gotta stop coddling this dude.

 

[Ziggiy]

Ehhh. It’s just a good album. More of a disappointment really. True it’s his best album since Big Doe Rehab, that’s because he’s set the bar so low for himself the past 15 years.

A lot of this material is from various eras so there’s no way you can confidently say he’s still a creative force today, we don’t know that.

Ya’ll gotta stop coddling this dude.

Your opinion. You’re entitled to it.

 

[dubsmith_nz]

This shyt is so fire. Rap was zoning out to that P verse, real head shyt.

 

[Awesome Wells]

I think that's the case with most of their albums after Murda Muzik. Infamy and Blood Money had a handful of legit great songs but there's a lot of weak shyt to comb through too. Most of the best shyt has been on non-Havoc production. We don't talk about it enough, but Hav fell off just as hard as a producer as P did on the mic.

This is facts.

I've been saying this since Infamy. A lot of their best sh*t after Murda Musik was definitely on production that wasn't Havoc's. He's really been hit or miss after Hell on Earth. After The Infamous, which is one of my favorite albums ever, I thought bro would be in way more conversations as one of the best ever.

But I think being around Tip for that and for some of HOE had him inspired and then he just quietly fell off after awhile.

 

[Piff Perkins]

This is facts.

I've been saying this since Infamy. A lot of their best sh*t after Murda Musik was definitely on production that wasn't Havoc's. He's really been hit or miss after Hell on Earth. After The Infamous, which is one of my favorite albums ever, I thought bro would be in way more conversations as one of the best ever.

But I think being around Tip for that and for some of HOE had him inspired and then he just quietly fell off after awhile.

Infamy is the first time I felt like wow this beat or this song is way off compared to the old shyt. It still has multiple dope songs and beats tho, including one of the best beats of all time (Burn) in my opinion. And he had joints in the years after that, like on the Infamous Mobb album. Had a good beat on Game's first album too. I don't remember anything about the G-Unit album besides Pearly Gates lol, which he didn't produce.

I don't think it's a coincidence that a lot of guys started falling off at some point in the mid/late 00s when their ability to command $$$ from budgets reduced. At that point sampling, points etc probably became more of a concern, New York artists started falling off, and the south wasn't calling up those guys for beats. By that time none of the big NY guys were getting Nas placements (HHID, Untitled) and Jay's last NY-centric album was American Gangster which was just Hit Men and Just Blaze (not counting the Neptunes and other non east coast producers on there).

 

[phrank kastle]

I’m just disappointed it’s not dropping this month lol. Oh well. I’ll just run back their catalog in preparation. Also, they’re 2014 album is under appreciated

 

[Awesome Wells]

Infamy is the first time I felt like wow this beat or this song is way off compared to the old shyt. It still has multiple dope songs and beats tho, including one of the best beats of all time (Burn) in my opinion. And he had joints in the years after that, like on the Infamous Mobb album. Had a good beat on Game's first album too. I don't remember anything about the G-Unit album besides Pearly Gates lol, which he didn't produce.

I don't think it's a coincidence that a lot of guys started falling off at some point in the mid/late 00s when their ability to command $$$ from budgets reduced. At that point sampling, points etc probably became more of a concern, New York artists started falling off, and the south wasn't calling up those guys for beats. By that time none of the big NY guys were getting Nas placements (HHID, Untitled) and Jay's last NY-centric album was American Gangster which was just Hit Men and Just Blaze (not counting the Neptunes and other non east coast producers on there).

Exactly.

The game itself was a little weird for a lot of the vets from the 90's because most of them struggled with trying to adjust to the new era. Which is why I always felt they shouldn't try to change. Just keep doing what you do best and refine your own lane. Problem was, too many of them tried to hop on what other MC's were doing, and their own music suffered because of it.

That move to sign to G-Unit was a bad idea. Legends were just doing whatever they could to stay visible. But the music started getting wacker. I remember seeing Mobb on the red carper with 50, and they looked wild uncomfortable, lol. They really lost themselves during that stretch and I think the group never recovered. P was able to do his solo thing nicely, but the group wasn't the same ever again.

 

[dubsmith_nz]

Exactly.

The game itself was a little weird for a lot of the vets from the 90's because most of them struggled with trying to adjust to the new era. Which is why I always felt they shouldn't try to change. Just keep doing what you do best and refine your own lane. Problem was, too many of them tried to hop on what other MC's were doing, and their own music suffered because of it.

That move to sign to G-Unit was a bad idea. Legends were just doing whatever they could to stay visible. But the music started getting wacker. I remember seeing Mobb on the red carper with 50, and they looked wild uncomfortable, lol. They really lost themselves during that stretch and I think the group never recovered. P was able to do his solo thing nicely, but the group wasn't the same ever again.

They made so much dope mixtape work while on G Unit, and it was clear Fif was a huge fan of them. P said that deal got them more paid than anything in their career and gave him the freedom to keep doing solo shyt on the side.

It just feels like it was at a time where Hav's creative juices were near gone. Album still had some joints though and the "Outta Control Remix" is a classic. Their was definitely some mid on there though.



Always loved this joint.

 

[hex]

Couple things.

1. As far as Hav's production, that album he did with Flee Lord has some dope beats on it.



2. I might get crucified for this....but I think they should've used AI to clean up Prodigy's voice. The 2nd half of his career he sounded groggy as hell and that snippet seems to be from that era.

Fred.

 

[Awesome Wells]

They made so much dope mixtape work while on G Unit, and it was clear Fif was a huge fan of them. P said that deal got them more paid than anything in their career and gave him the freedom to keep doing solo shyt on the side.

It just feels like it was at a time where Hav's creative juices were near gone. Album still had some joints though and the "Outta Control Remix" is a classic. Their was definitely some mid on there though.



Always loved this joint.

Truth.

50 spoke a lot about how much of a fan he was, of Mobb. It was a really weird time. Dude was winning so much that everyone wanted to do business with him. I remember LL was working on music with him too, and dressing like him, at one point, lol. A few of those records leaked, but they sounded like 50-fueled Cool J tracks.

I think for the kinda music that Mobb made, that era was just mad challenging.