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‘We Voted for Trump to Fix the Border. Now We’re Milking Cows Alone at 4 A.M.’
written by TheSarkariForm May 23, 2025
When Donald Trump supporters in rural Vermont cast their ballots, many say they never imagined immigration crackdowns would come to their farms. But in recent weeks, a wave of federal enforcement has rattled the backbone of Vermont’s dairy industry — and sparked an unexpected movement of solidarity, advocacy, and reflection.
At the heart of this shift is Dustin Machia, a fifth-generation dairy farmer from Sheldon. Like many in the region, Machia voted for Trump, drawn by promises of border control and national security. “We didn’t want drugs or gangbangers,” he said. But what he didn’t expect was losing some of his most dedicated employees to immigration arrests.
“It’s scaring the farming community,” Machia admitted. “We didn’t think they’d come for the people who help us milk cows.”
His unease follows a series of recent detentions. On April 21, Border Patrol officers apprehended eight Mexican workers at Pleasant Valley Farms, the state’s largest dairy operation. A few weeks earlier, another worker was arrested while delivering groceries to the farm.
The arrests — though described by federal agents as a response to a citizen tip rather than a targeted raid — have nevertheless shaken Vermont’s agricultural community. State leaders and farm advocates now warn of a crisis, not just of labor, but of conscience.
Vermont Secretary of Agriculture Anson Tebbetts noted that while immigrants make up a small portion of the state’s population, they are essential to its $3.6 billion dairy sector, which produces 63 percent of New England’s milk. “These workers are vital,” Tebbetts said. “Without them, the cows don’t get milked.”
Indeed, with the number of dairy farms in Vermont halved since 2013, but the cow population remaining stable, operations have scaled up — and leaned heavily on migrant labor. According to the University of Vermont, 94% of dairy farms that hire outside help rely on migrants, mostly undocumented workers from Mexico.
Despite political rhetoric, the reality on the ground is clear: the dairy industry depends on these laborers — many of whom work 12-hour days starting at 4 a.m., like “Chepe,” an undocumented worker and father of three who has become an advocate with Migrant Justice.
“I used to feel safer here,” said Chepe, who hasn’t seen his children in eight years. “But since Trump came back, it feels like we’re going back to the dark ages.”
Still, amid fear, a remarkable show of unity is growing. Chepe now helps lead protests and organizes for better protections, while Vermont’s farming families — many of them Trump voters — are voicing concern not just for their livelihoods, but for the wellbeing of the workers they’ve come to rely on.
Legal advocates, like Brett Stokes of the Vermont Law and Graduate School, are stepping in to defend the detained workers, who were quickly funneled through deportation proceedings. “They pay taxes. They do essential work. They’re part of our communities,” Stokes said.
The growing awareness has also reignited calls for immigration reform, especially the lack of a visa program for year-round dairy work. Unlike Vermont’s apple or berry farms, which can hire seasonal workers legally, dairy farms have no such option.
“Replacing your whole crew every few months isn’t realistic,” said Machia. “It takes time to train people, and locals just don’t want to do this work anymore.”
Even though Machia says he would still vote for Trump, the recent crackdown has prompted a deeper reckoning within his community — and perhaps, unexpectedly, a new sense of appreciation for those they once took for granted.
In a state where farms rely on undocumented hands, Vermont is waking up to an inescapable truth: immigrant labor isn’t just a political talking point — it’s the force that keeps the barns running and the milk flowing. And now, with fear in the air, farmers and migrant workers alike are standing up — together.
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Posted on Fri May 23 18:45:15 2025 UTC
‘We Voted for Trump to Fix the Border. Now We’re Milking Cows Alone at 4 A.M.’ – Vermont Farmers Face Harsh Reality as ICE Raids Hit Home
When Donald Trump supporters in rural Vermont cast their ballots, many say they never imagined immigration…
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‘We Voted for Trump to Fix the Border. Now We’re Milking Cows Alone at 4 A.M.’ – Vermont Farmers Face Harsh Reality as ICE Raids Hit Home
written by TheSarkariForm May 23, 2025
When Donald Trump supporters in rural Vermont cast their ballots, many say they never imagined immigration crackdowns would come to their farms. But in recent weeks, a wave of federal enforcement has rattled the backbone of Vermont’s dairy industry — and sparked an unexpected movement of solidarity, advocacy, and reflection.
At the heart of this shift is Dustin Machia, a fifth-generation dairy farmer from Sheldon. Like many in the region, Machia voted for Trump, drawn by promises of border control and national security. “We didn’t want drugs or gangbangers,” he said. But what he didn’t expect was losing some of his most dedicated employees to immigration arrests.
“It’s scaring the farming community,” Machia admitted. “We didn’t think they’d come for the people who help us milk cows.”
His unease follows a series of recent detentions. On April 21, Border Patrol officers apprehended eight Mexican workers at Pleasant Valley Farms, the state’s largest dairy operation. A few weeks earlier, another worker was arrested while delivering groceries to the farm.
The arrests — though described by federal agents as a response to a citizen tip rather than a targeted raid — have nevertheless shaken Vermont’s agricultural community. State leaders and farm advocates now warn of a crisis, not just of labor, but of conscience.
Vermont Secretary of Agriculture Anson Tebbetts noted that while immigrants make up a small portion of the state’s population, they are essential to its $3.6 billion dairy sector, which produces 63 percent of New England’s milk. “These workers are vital,” Tebbetts said. “Without them, the cows don’t get milked.”
Indeed, with the number of dairy farms in Vermont halved since 2013, but the cow population remaining stable, operations have scaled up — and leaned heavily on migrant labor. According to the University of Vermont, 94% of dairy farms that hire outside help rely on migrants, mostly undocumented workers from Mexico.
Despite political rhetoric, the reality on the ground is clear: the dairy industry depends on these laborers — many of whom work 12-hour days starting at 4 a.m., like “Chepe,” an undocumented worker and father of three who has become an advocate with Migrant Justice.
“I used to feel safer here,” said Chepe, who hasn’t seen his children in eight years. “But since Trump came back, it feels like we’re going back to the dark ages.”
Still, amid fear, a remarkable show of unity is growing. Chepe now helps lead protests and organizes for better protections, while Vermont’s farming families — many of them Trump voters — are voicing concern not just for their livelihoods, but for the wellbeing of the workers they’ve come to rely on.
Legal advocates, like Brett Stokes of the Vermont Law and Graduate School, are stepping in to defend the detained workers, who were quickly funneled through deportation proceedings. “They pay taxes. They do essential work. They’re part of our communities,” Stokes said.
The growing awareness has also reignited calls for immigration reform, especially the lack of a visa program for year-round dairy work. Unlike Vermont’s apple or berry farms, which can hire seasonal workers legally, dairy farms have no such option.
“Replacing your whole crew every few months isn’t realistic,” said Machia. “It takes time to train people, and locals just don’t want to do this work anymore.”
Even though Machia says he would still vote for Trump, the recent crackdown has prompted a deeper reckoning within his community — and perhaps, unexpectedly, a new sense of appreciation for those they once took for granted.
In a state where farms rely on undocumented hands, Vermont is waking up to an inescapable truth: immigrant labor isn’t just a political talking point — it’s the force that keeps the barns running and the milk flowing. And now, with fear in the air, farmers and migrant workers alike are standing up — together.
Commented on Fri May 23 18:54:30 2025 UTC
Then hire some Americans!
Won't work for peanuts? Pay them more! That's how capitalism works right?
Then hire some Americans!
Won't work for peanuts? Pay them more! That's how capitalism works right?
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│ Commented on Fri May 23 19:03:39 2025 UTC
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│ They are about to find out how capitalism works in realtime.
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│ They are about to find out how capitalism works in realtime.
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│ │ Commented on Fri May 23 19:34:36 2025 UTC
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│ │ Then they will scream for the same federal aid that they called socialism, because they, being part of the in-group, deserve it and no one else does.
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│ │ Then they will scream for the same federal aid that they called socialism, because they, being part of the in-group, deserve it and no one else does.
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│ │ │ Commented on Fri May 23 21:17:09 2025 UTC
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│ │ │ It's not socialism when you give money to those who own the means of production. It's almost the opposite.
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│ │ │ It's not socialism when you give money to those who own the means of production. It's almost the opposite.
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Commented on Fri May 23 16:33:31 2025 UTC
It’s a very republican thing to do. They only care about things that affect them personally.
It’s a very republican thing to do. They only care about things that affect them personally.
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│ Commented on Fri May 23 16:43:00 2025 UTC
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│ Did you even say thank you?
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│ Did you even say thank you?
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│ │ Commented on Fri May 23 16:44:18 2025 UTC
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│ │ They don’t even own a suit.
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Ain’t that something
1/11
@NoLieWithBTC
Trump just denied North Carolina’s request for FEMA relief from Hurricane Helene, calling it “not warranted.”
2/11
@farrellbruce2
@TheObserver @newsobserver
3/11
@trish2658
4/11
@hangcat2
That sounds eerily similar to "not medically necessary" when insurance companies deny healthcare and then take off with the money.
5/11
@DRamsey97138754
6/11
@BlackBi40200550
Welp, they got what they voted for. Too bad magats
7/11
@Christo12919382
Remember who to vote for next year!
8/11
@waysandmeans71
@SenThomTillis What will you do about this? Please grow a pair and do your job.
9/11
@angus_mustang2
Can we deny funding his trips to the Golf Course?
10/11
@mmaresca4
11/11
@Thirst4truth8
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@NoLieWithBTC
Trump just denied North Carolina’s request for FEMA relief from Hurricane Helene, calling it “not warranted.”
2/11
@farrellbruce2
@TheObserver @newsobserver
3/11
@trish2658
4/11
@hangcat2
That sounds eerily similar to "not medically necessary" when insurance companies deny healthcare and then take off with the money.
5/11
@DRamsey97138754
6/11
@BlackBi40200550
Welp, they got what they voted for. Too bad magats
7/11
@Christo12919382
Remember who to vote for next year!
8/11
@waysandmeans71
@SenThomTillis What will you do about this? Please grow a pair and do your job.
9/11
@angus_mustang2
Can we deny funding his trips to the Golf Course?
10/11
@mmaresca4
11/11
@Thirst4truth8
/search?q=#FAFO
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‘We Voted for Trump to Fix the Border. Now We’re Milking Cows Alone at 4 A.M.’
Posted on Fri May 23 18:45:15 2025 UTC
‘We Voted for Trump to Fix the Border. Now We’re Milking Cows Alone at 4 A.M.’ – Vermont Farmers Face Harsh Reality as ICE Raids Hit Home
When Donald Trump supporters in rural Vermont cast their ballots, many say they never imagined immigration…thesarkariform.com‘We Voted for Trump to Fix the Border. Now We’re Milking Cows Alone at 4 A.M.’ – Vermont Farmers Face Harsh Reality as ICE Raids Hit Home
written by TheSarkariForm May 23, 2025
When Donald Trump supporters in rural Vermont cast their ballots, many say they never imagined immigration crackdowns would come to their farms. But in recent weeks, a wave of federal enforcement has rattled the backbone of Vermont’s dairy industry — and sparked an unexpected movement of solidarity, advocacy, and reflection.
At the heart of this shift is Dustin Machia, a fifth-generation dairy farmer from Sheldon. Like many in the region, Machia voted for Trump, drawn by promises of border control and national security. “We didn’t want drugs or gangbangers,” he said. But what he didn’t expect was losing some of his most dedicated employees to immigration arrests.
“It’s scaring the farming community,” Machia admitted. “We didn’t think they’d come for the people who help us milk cows.”
His unease follows a series of recent detentions. On April 21, Border Patrol officers apprehended eight Mexican workers at Pleasant Valley Farms, the state’s largest dairy operation. A few weeks earlier, another worker was arrested while delivering groceries to the farm.
The arrests — though described by federal agents as a response to a citizen tip rather than a targeted raid — have nevertheless shaken Vermont’s agricultural community. State leaders and farm advocates now warn of a crisis, not just of labor, but of conscience.
Vermont Secretary of Agriculture Anson Tebbetts noted that while immigrants make up a small portion of the state’s population, they are essential to its $3.6 billion dairy sector, which produces 63 percent of New England’s milk. “These workers are vital,” Tebbetts said. “Without them, the cows don’t get milked.”
Indeed, with the number of dairy farms in Vermont halved since 2013, but the cow population remaining stable, operations have scaled up — and leaned heavily on migrant labor. According to the University of Vermont, 94% of dairy farms that hire outside help rely on migrants, mostly undocumented workers from Mexico.
Despite political rhetoric, the reality on the ground is clear: the dairy industry depends on these laborers — many of whom work 12-hour days starting at 4 a.m., like “Chepe,” an undocumented worker and father of three who has become an advocate with Migrant Justice.
“I used to feel safer here,” said Chepe, who hasn’t seen his children in eight years. “But since Trump came back, it feels like we’re going back to the dark ages.”
Still, amid fear, a remarkable show of unity is growing. Chepe now helps lead protests and organizes for better protections, while Vermont’s farming families — many of them Trump voters — are voicing concern not just for their livelihoods, but for the wellbeing of the workers they’ve come to rely on.
Legal advocates, like Brett Stokes of the Vermont Law and Graduate School, are stepping in to defend the detained workers, who were quickly funneled through deportation proceedings. “They pay taxes. They do essential work. They’re part of our communities,” Stokes said.
The growing awareness has also reignited calls for immigration reform, especially the lack of a visa program for year-round dairy work. Unlike Vermont’s apple or berry farms, which can hire seasonal workers legally, dairy farms have no such option.
“Replacing your whole crew every few months isn’t realistic,” said Machia. “It takes time to train people, and locals just don’t want to do this work anymore.”
Even though Machia says he would still vote for Trump, the recent crackdown has prompted a deeper reckoning within his community — and perhaps, unexpectedly, a new sense of appreciation for those they once took for granted.
In a state where farms rely on undocumented hands, Vermont is waking up to an inescapable truth: immigrant labor isn’t just a political talking point — it’s the force that keeps the barns running and the milk flowing. And now, with fear in the air, farmers and migrant workers alike are standing up — together.
Motherfukker, you live in Vermont. Ver fukking Mont. Nobody wants to go there and the few that did, you goofies voted and chased them away. Should have asked the hired help how they felt about this. Seems like all other races took Trump's rhetoric serious enough. This is what happens when your brain is fried from Fox, NewsMax and other places. The world is one big scary place and all these people with various levels of melanin in their system are coming to rob you and rape your women. They will willingly blow their own dikks off if they feel that it will stop someone else from succeeding.
you could understand if someone from vermont was concerned with the canadian border, but mexico. jebus these people's brains are cooked.
Crypto industry now fears Trump putting personal profits first, per AP report
It's all part of the plan though... right?
can someone please check on Silicon Valley
1/11
@DKThomp
I have a brief story I want to tell about the Tech Right, the Trump administration, and immigration.
In June 2024, Trump went on the All In podcast and said we should make it easier for international students who graduate from top US colleges to become citizens.
"It's so sad when we lose people from Harvard" after they graduate, he said. "I think you should get automatically, as part of your diploma, a green card to be able to stay in this country. That is going to end on day one."
This was huge. Day one! Wow. The All In guys ate it up. Chamath goes: "That's fantastic." David Sacks: "That's great." Tech folks proclaimed Trump to be fully high-skill-immigration-pilled.
Well, he's president now. And stapling green cards to diplomas isn't happening.
What's happening instead?
1. Today, the Trump administration announced that it's illegal for Harvard to enroll foreign students and existing students have to transfer or face deportation.
2. The nominee for U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services director said he wants to end the US's single largest high-skill recruitment program, OPT, which is critical for helping foreign-born students stay in the country.
3. NIH funding YTD is down more than 50%, and more AI scientists are leaving the country than coming in.
2/11
@DKThomp
Aha. Thanks.
[Quoted tweet]
Minor point, the net exporter of AI talent thing likely isn't quite right
3/11
@DKThomp
4. And now, the Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights at DOJ endorses the forcible removal of all Chinese students from the U.S.
4/11
@ReubenR80027912
Trump 2.0 has a logical, but never articulated b/c it’s unseemly, position. It goes:
“We went to the moon 4 yrs before foreign born pop hit its all time nadir. Whatever the benefits of foreign labor those are outweighed by negatives of not having a dominant herrenvolk”
5/11
@DKThomp
The Apollo program polled terribly in the 1960s. Your precious herrenvolk hated it! They thought it was a huge waste of money!
We went to the moon bc JFK hated the Soviets snd LBJ thought space was cool. Immigration share had nothing to do with it.
6/11
@calebwatney
Minor point, the net exporter of AI talent thing likely isn't quite right
[Quoted tweet]
1/ Attracting and retaining AI talent should be a top national priority and a slowdown in recruitment is deeply concerning.
But this chart isn't what it claims to be.
Here's a breakdown...
7/11
@arctotherium42
Increasing "skilled" (read: "has college degree") immigration, especially student visas, is what Canada's done for the past decade. It's been a disaster. Tech right can pound sand if they want to do that here.
8/11
@Sherveen
[Quoted tweet]
It's gotta be written about soon. Sometime in 2023, that podcast quickly became the most competent, maliciously manipulative media in the current ecosystem, and has somehow gotten worse since then.
9/11
@_ianwatts_
All-In guys immediately bought they were the back room. “he’s just saying the exact opposite of this 90% of the time to placate the populace. alas, this is what actually matters”
tech right ignored everything Trump said leading up and after that podcast
10/11
@devahaz
That promise they immediately walked back before the podcast even aired
[Quoted tweet]
Trump spokesperson @kleavittnh on latest immigration proposal. Says would only apply to “most thoroughly vetted” college grads, who wouldn’t undercut wages
11/11
@Richard_She
Today's letter doesn't just affect current and future students - this actually nukes the F-1/OPT visa for students who already graduated within the last 1-3 years. Which contradicts the prior statements even more.
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@DKThomp
I have a brief story I want to tell about the Tech Right, the Trump administration, and immigration.
In June 2024, Trump went on the All In podcast and said we should make it easier for international students who graduate from top US colleges to become citizens.
"It's so sad when we lose people from Harvard" after they graduate, he said. "I think you should get automatically, as part of your diploma, a green card to be able to stay in this country. That is going to end on day one."
This was huge. Day one! Wow. The All In guys ate it up. Chamath goes: "That's fantastic." David Sacks: "That's great." Tech folks proclaimed Trump to be fully high-skill-immigration-pilled.
Well, he's president now. And stapling green cards to diplomas isn't happening.
What's happening instead?
1. Today, the Trump administration announced that it's illegal for Harvard to enroll foreign students and existing students have to transfer or face deportation.
2. The nominee for U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services director said he wants to end the US's single largest high-skill recruitment program, OPT, which is critical for helping foreign-born students stay in the country.
3. NIH funding YTD is down more than 50%, and more AI scientists are leaving the country than coming in.
2/11
@DKThomp
Aha. Thanks.
[Quoted tweet]
Minor point, the net exporter of AI talent thing likely isn't quite right
3/11
@DKThomp
4. And now, the Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights at DOJ endorses the forcible removal of all Chinese students from the U.S.
4/11
@ReubenR80027912
Trump 2.0 has a logical, but never articulated b/c it’s unseemly, position. It goes:
“We went to the moon 4 yrs before foreign born pop hit its all time nadir. Whatever the benefits of foreign labor those are outweighed by negatives of not having a dominant herrenvolk”
5/11
@DKThomp
The Apollo program polled terribly in the 1960s. Your precious herrenvolk hated it! They thought it was a huge waste of money!
We went to the moon bc JFK hated the Soviets snd LBJ thought space was cool. Immigration share had nothing to do with it.
6/11
@calebwatney
Minor point, the net exporter of AI talent thing likely isn't quite right
[Quoted tweet]
1/ Attracting and retaining AI talent should be a top national priority and a slowdown in recruitment is deeply concerning.
But this chart isn't what it claims to be.
Here's a breakdown...
7/11
@arctotherium42
Increasing "skilled" (read: "has college degree") immigration, especially student visas, is what Canada's done for the past decade. It's been a disaster. Tech right can pound sand if they want to do that here.
8/11
@Sherveen
[Quoted tweet]
It's gotta be written about soon. Sometime in 2023, that podcast quickly became the most competent, maliciously manipulative media in the current ecosystem, and has somehow gotten worse since then.
9/11
@_ianwatts_
All-In guys immediately bought they were the back room. “he’s just saying the exact opposite of this 90% of the time to placate the populace. alas, this is what actually matters”
tech right ignored everything Trump said leading up and after that podcast
10/11
@devahaz
That promise they immediately walked back before the podcast even aired
[Quoted tweet]
Trump spokesperson @kleavittnh on latest immigration proposal. Says would only apply to “most thoroughly vetted” college grads, who wouldn’t undercut wages
11/11
@Richard_She
Today's letter doesn't just affect current and future students - this actually nukes the F-1/OPT visa for students who already graduated within the last 1-3 years. Which contradicts the prior statements even more.
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Other Countries will PAY THE TARIFFS so the Small Business can Get A Tax Break !!!
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Commented on Mon May 26 03:52:29 2025 UTC
It sounds like this goober was educated quick in that meeting
It sounds like this goober was educated quick in that meeting
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│ Commented on Mon May 26 05:55:48 2025 UTC
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│ I imagine the surprise: "Whaaat?! We can't raise taxes on other people's countries?"
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│ │ Even if the exporters in the other countries had to pay the tariffs, they don't understand that they would be raising the price to cover that? So the importers would still effectively pay the tariff.
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│ │ But no, these idiots actually believed the importer in the US would pay the same price as before and the exporter would just pay over the tariff to the US government, and would just accept that.
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│ │ Even if the exporters in the other countries had to pay the tariffs, they don't understand that they would be raising the price to cover that? So the importers would still effectively pay the tariff.
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│ │ But no, these idiots actually believed the importer in the US would pay the same price as before and the exporter would just pay over the tariff to the US government, and would just accept that.
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│ │ │ Yeah thats what I dont get either.
│ │ │ Suppose that somehow Trump COULD make the other country pay the tariffs.
│ │ │ So Apple selling an iphone to USA needs to also pay the American government. Allright. Now Apple still is down in profit because of this.
│ │ │ The logical thing for them would be to simply raise the price to offset this.
│ │ │ And that would STILL end with the consumers paying more.
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│ │ │ Furthermore, if Apple then moved the production to USA and even overlooking the fact that it would take many years to even set up, get supply lines ( oops, tariffs again ) and get the right people to produce the phones, pay a much higher wage, they would then sell those phones as expensive as they can while keeping just below what the chinese price + tariffs would be anyway.
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│ │ │ So theres no scenario where it would be cheaper anyway.
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│ │ │ Yeah thats what I dont get either.
│ │ │ Suppose that somehow Trump COULD make the other country pay the tariffs.
│ │ │ So Apple selling an iphone to USA needs to also pay the American government. Allright. Now Apple still is down in profit because of this.
│ │ │ The logical thing for them would be to simply raise the price to offset this.
│ │ │ And that would STILL end with the consumers paying more.
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│ │ │ Furthermore, if Apple then moved the production to USA and even overlooking the fact that it would take many years to even set up, get supply lines ( oops, tariffs again ) and get the right people to produce the phones, pay a much higher wage, they would then sell those phones as expensive as they can while keeping just below what the chinese price + tariffs would be anyway.
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│ │ │ │ Commented on Mon May 26 08:45:58 2025 UTC
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│ │ │ │ Your mistake is trying to apply logic to what is basically cult behaviour.
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│ │ │ │ They don't care about reason or facts. Their divine prophet says two plus two equals five and that's that.
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│ │ │ │ Your mistake is trying to apply logic to what is basically cult behaviour.
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│ │ │ │ They don't care about reason or facts. Their divine prophet says two plus two equals five and that's that.
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