Let's be real: Chris Paul just isn't great enough

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I would love to blame this performance on old age, fatigue, potential injury etc.

But let's be honest, this nikka has been doing this for years bruh. To have the most blown 2-0 leads of all time, including one in the NBA Finals is a nasty mark on his legacy and he aint recovering from it.
 

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@Rhakim is the homie, but this is the reason why kats say that CP3 isn't clutch.

Not even mentioning that Game 7 against Houston back in 2020. Not too many ATGs consistently come up as small as he does during late-game situations, stats be damned.


You named two Game 7s. I had a thread where I named 6-7 huge clutch games where CP3 balled out including multiple Game 7s.

And claiming he "consistently comes up small in late-game situations" doesn't make sense after a game that didn't have jack shyt to do with a "late game situation". CP3 has had some huge late-game moments, but the truth is he's also a 6' ground-bound point guard so scoring the final bucket when the defense collapses on him isn't his role. His ridiculous Game 7 winner over Duncan was a bigger shot than a lot of other star point guards have ever put up (uhum, Curry? Harden? Westbrook? Iverson? Kidd? Nash? Stockton? Payton?), but somehow CP3 is the one who gets the "choker" reputation?


CP3 has been fukked over by never once having teammates who could carry their share. This game was no different - Booker a top-5 MVP candidate this year and a primary scorer in his prime but goes 3-14 for 11 points in the critical game, Ayton came up small as fukk the entire series, the entire supporting cast couldn't do anything today, and yet CP3 gets the heat.
 

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You named two Game 7s. I had a thread where I named 6-7 huge clutch games where CP3 balled out including multiple Game 7s.

And claiming he "consistently comes up small in late-game situations" doesn't make sense after a game that didn't have jack shyt to do with a "late game situation". CP3 has had some huge late-game moments, but the truth is he's also a 6' ground-bound point guard so scoring the final bucket when the defense collapses on him isn't his role. His ridiculous Game 7 winner over Duncan was a bigger shot than a lot of other star point guards have ever put up (uhum, Curry? Harden? Westbrook? Iverson? Kidd? Nash? Stockton? Payton?), but somehow CP3 is the one who gets the "choker" reputation?


CP3 has been fukked over by never once having teammates who could carry their share. This game was no different - Booker a top-5 MVP candidate this year and a primary scorer in his prime but goes 3-14 for 11 points in the critical game, Ayton came up small as fukk the entire series, the entire supporting cast couldn't do anything today, and yet CP3 gets the heat.
Breh most of those were in the 1st round.


The issue is that in the 2nd round onwards, when he's not injured, he still always gets thoroughly outplayed by the other dude.

Cp3 isn't a "choker" like Harden, but he does underwhelm.
 

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What about that 4:0 assist :turnover ratio he had tonight tho :troll:
 

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Breh most of those were in the 1st round.


You're moving the goalposts arbitrary now. Yeah, most of his great closing games were 1st round cause his teammates were usually hurt or looked like ass by the second round. But clutch 1st-round elimination games don't count now? His record of clutch performances in those critical moments is still better than all those other superstar point guards I listed.



The issue is that in the 2nd round onwards, when he's not injured, he still always gets thoroughly outplayed by the other dude.

Cp3 isn't a "choker" like Harden, but he does underwhelm.

Bullshyt. Total bullshyt. Okay here, no cherry-picking, we're going to put up CP3's stats in the last game of EVERY series he's ever played beyond the 1st round before tonight:


2008 Game 7 WCSF: 18-8-14 on 8-18 shooting with 5 steals. Outplayed TP (17-2-5 on 7-17 shooting), but lost to the defending champs

2012 Game 4 WCSF: 23-6-11 on 9-18 shooting with 2 steals. Outplayed TP (17-3-5 on 5-13 shooting) but lost to a champ-level Spurs squad

2014 Game 6 WCSF: 25-7-11 on 9-18 shooting with 1 steal. Outplayed Westbrook (19-3-12 on 4-15 shooting) but lost when KD went off

2015 Game 6 WCSF: 31-7-11 on 10-18 shooting despite a strained hamstring. Outplayed Harden (23-2-3 on 5-20 shooting) but lost when his teammates choked like crazy while letting Rockets forwards go off

2015 Game 7 WCSF: 26-5-10 on 9-20 shooting with 4 steals. Arguably outplays Harden (31-7-8 on 7-20 shooting with 7 turnovers), but CP3's shooters miss everything and they're eliminated.

2018 Game 5 WCSF: 41-7-10 on 13-22 shooting with 2 steals. Outplayed Mitchell (24-4-9 on 9-17 shooting) and won to advance

2018 WCF: Got hurt against Golden State after helping lead them to a 3-2 advantage and playing Curry even in games 4 and 5

2019 Game 6 WCSF: 27-11-6 on 11-19 shooting. Pretty much even with Curry (33-5-4 on 9-20 shooting) but Curry's supporting cast was better.

2021 Game 4 WCSF: 37-3-7 on 14-19 shooting with 2 steals. Despite playing hurt CP3 outplays Monte Morris (19-0-6 on 8-15 shooting) and wins the series.

2021 Game 6 WCF: 41-4-8 on 16-24 shooting with 3 steals. Outplays Reggie Jackson (13-4-8 on 4-12 shooting) and advances to Finals

2021 Game 6 Finals: 26-2-5 on 11-19 shooting with 1 steal. Outplays Jrue Holiday (12-9-11 on 4-19 shooting) but he can't guard Giannis.



So in those later-round elimination games, CP3 averaged 30-6-9 on 56% shooting with 2 steals. Those are fukking fantastic #'s. Those might be better numbers in that situation than any point guard in history.

And in those games, he outplayed Tony Parker, Russell Westbrook, James Harden, Donovan Mitchell, Monte Morris, Reggie Jackson, and Jrue Holiday, and basically played Steph Curry to a draw.


That deads it. The "CP3 plays poorly in big games" narrative is dead. The "CP3 plays poorly in big games in late rounds" narrative is dead. The "CP3 gets outplayed by his opposing PG in big games" narrative is dead. They were ALL bullshyt.


Chris Paul has had a lot of injuries to himself or his teammates at unfortunate times. And he's had a lot of teammates that couldn't hit shots or failed to play defense in critical moments. THAT is the issue. And just because he's had that bad luck and happens to be a 6'0" player who can't physically impose his will at all times, he gets put on blast like it's his fault.


But compare him to EVERY pass-first point guard in history and he's stepping up more in those situations than any of the others ever have.
 

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He's cursed. Suns better move him cuz they ain't gonna win with him.
 

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You're moving the goalposts arbitrary now. Yeah, most of his great closing games were 1st round cause his teammates were usually hurt or looked like ass by the second round. But clutch 1st-round elimination games don't count now? His record of clutch performances in those critical moments is still better than all those other superstar point guards I listed.





Bullshyt. Total bullshyt. Okay here, no cherry-picking, we're going to put up CP3's stats in the last game of EVERY series he's ever played beyond the 1st round before tonight:


2008 Game 7 WCSF: 18-8-14 on 8-18 shooting with 5 steals. Outplayed TP (17-2-5 on 7-17 shooting), but lost to the defending champs

2012 Game 4 WCSF: 23-6-11 on 9-18 shooting with 2 steals. Outplayed TP (17-3-5 on 5-13 shooting) but lost to a champ-level Spurs squad

2014 Game 6 WCSF: 25-7-11 on 9-18 shooting with 1 steal. Outplayed Westbrook (19-3-12 on 4-15 shooting) but lost when KD went off

2015 Game 6 WCSF: 31-7-11 on 10-18 shooting despite a strained hamstring. Outplayed Harden (23-2-3 on 5-20 shooting) but lost when his teammates choked like crazy while letting Rockets forwards go off

2015 Game 7 WCSF: 26-5-10 on 9-20 shooting with 4 steals. Arguably outplays Harden (31-7-8 on 7-20 shooting with 7 turnovers), but CP3's shooters miss everything and they're eliminated.

2018 Game 5 WCSF: 41-7-10 on 13-22 shooting with 2 steals. Outplayed Mitchell (24-4-9 on 9-17 shooting) and won to advance

2018 WCF: Got hurt against Golden State after helping lead them to a 3-2 advantage and playing Curry even in games 4 and 5

2019 Game 6 WCSF: 27-11-6 on 11-19 shooting. Pretty much even with Curry (33-5-4 on 9-20 shooting) but Curry's supporting cast was better.

2021 Game 4 WCSF: 37-3-7 on 14-19 shooting with 2 steals. Despite playing hurt CP3 outplays Monte Morris (19-0-6 on 8-15 shooting) and wins the series.

2021 Game 6 WCF: 41-4-8 on 16-24 shooting with 3 steals. Outplays Reggie Jackson (13-4-8 on 4-12 shooting) and advances to Finals

2021 Game 6 Finals: 26-2-5 on 11-19 shooting with 1 steal. Outplays Jrue Holiday (12-9-11 on 4-19 shooting) but he can't guard Giannis.



So in those later-round elimination games, CP3 averaged 30-6-9 on 56% shooting with 2 steals. Those are fukking fantastic #'s. Those might be better numbers in that situation than any point guard in history.

And in those games, he outplayed Tony Parker, Russell Westbrook, James Harden, Donovan Mitchell, Monte Morris, Reggie Jackson, and Jrue Holiday, and basically played Steph Curry to a draw.


That deads it. The "CP3 plays poorly in big games" narrative is dead. The "CP3 plays poorly in big games in late rounds" narrative is dead. The "CP3 gets outplayed by his opposing PG in big games" narrative is dead. They were ALL bullshyt.


Chris Paul has had a lot of injuries to himself or his teammates at unfortunate times. And he's had a lot of teammates that couldn't hit shots or failed to play defense in critical moments. THAT is the issue. And just because he's had that bad luck and happens to be a 6'0" player who can't physically impose his will at all times, he gets put on blast like it's his fault.


But compare him to EVERY pass-first point guard in history and he's stepping up more in those situations than any of the others ever have.
Who do you have in mind
 

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Great Small guards don’t win titles as “the man” often . It’s an extremely difficult thing to do .
Zeke got two titles ,but Joe D was right there with him and got a Finals MVP

Steph got his rings but KD and Iggy was with him and got the final mvps on that stage

Chauncey and Tony Parker are the only two PGs since 90 to get a finals mvp which should show you how hard it is for a great “little man “ to Will his team to that level …and those two had a hell of a supporting cast .

But we’ll still fault Dame,CP3 and soon enough Ja Morant for not being able to do what has been damn near impossible in the history of the league

Can’t place blame on a 37 yr old 6’0 PG.
 
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